Issur of Lashon Hara Vis-a-Vis Dov Lipman? Not Quite

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This is in response to those who erroneously claim that there is an issur of any kind to publicly condemn, criticize or otherwise call out Dov Lipman for his conduct.

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31 COMMENTS

  1. The question is not the definition of Lashon Hara, but whether or not the facts show clearly that an individual falls outside the protected category. Accusers need to be really careful to verify such facts.

  2. What is the “makom harisas and “churban hadas” in this case?!?!

    to do everything to fix this and make gederim?

  3. It is only those who behave like the Chofetz Chaim – who seeks to fulfil only Hashem’s Will, who refrain from slander and evil speach.

    It is also only those who behave like the Chofetz Chaim – who seek to fulfil only Hashem’s Will, who will be very forthright and unfearful, and will go all out to fight for Hashem’s Torah!

  4. There are a lot of assumptions being made in regards to assimilating the two cases. Any idea who this is referring to and what he was guilty of? Rabbi Lipman is not ceasing Limudei Kodesh he wants to implement Limudei Chol and whether or not you agree or disagree ideologically he is not guilty of harisas v’churban hadas…

  5. Well it may come as a surprise to you, but
    there are many of us out here “in the real
    world” who agree with the Rav.

  6. SHAME ON YOU MATZAV!!!!!

    who the —- are you to pasken??!!

    And this doesnt apply anyway.

    THERE IS A SPECIAL PLACE IN GEHINNOM FOR YOU MATZAV! APOLOGIZE NOW!

  7. The mere fact that this wicked fool gets a podium when he comes to America is beyond me. He is selling nonsense and is spitting on our Holy Torah and in Hashem’s face. He has aligned himself with the most anti-religious faction in the Israeli Government and on top of all this, he has the chutzpa to claim that he is Orthodox! It’s time for every good fearing Jew to take a stand and out this twisted fanatic by exposing his true colors. He is not part of the religious camp. He is not one of ours. We honor the words of Gedolim and we support pure Torah learning.

  8. I love all thes eguys who say “I happen to know Dov Lipman from yeshiva for a very long time……he’s a great person and you’re going to have to ask mechila from him…..”

    HUH???????? WHo cares if you know him? Or knew him? We see what he has done in Ramat Bet Shemesh and what he has done.

    Teaming up with Yair Lapid alone was a crime. What a shoteh

  9. With all due respect, why DO many other publications take out his title of “Rabbi”? It can bring negative consequences to the Hareidi tzibur when proper respect is not given.

    Even Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT”L used to call Conservative leaders “Rabbi”. I think that Matzav.com and the rest of the Hareidi media should follow that path.

  10. To # 18

    “Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT”L used to call Conservative leaders “Rabbi” – WHAT ARE TALKING ABOUT??????. –

    Reb Moshe called them RESHOIM!!!!

  11. #14
    I GUARANTEE(I’ve read your comments the past couple years) YOUR place is a lot lower than MATZAV.

    I am willing to take responsibility for Matzav (in these ) in the next world.

    #18
    ‘Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT”L used to call Conservative leaders “Rabbi”’, with sarcasm & quotation marks
    Take a look

  12. To. #18

    What are you talking about – Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT”L used to call Conservative leaders “Rabbi”????? Are you nuts!!!!! He called them reshoim, and he even makes a distinction between aveiros from “tavei” and aveiros of which are represented by dov’s Yesh Atid hate Hashem party, the latter is easier to do tshuva!

    Dov is justifying that partie’s platform by showing the “uninformed ” that a so called rabbi is with Yesh Atid.

    What a chillul Hashem! the Sefardi and the Ashkonazi Gedolim are all against him! And you are also not afraid to misquote reb Moshe

    Disgusting!!!!!!

  13. the am haaratzus here is astounding.
    there is obviously a great need to revive hilchos l.hara shiurim.
    so that frum people here stop abusing the true halachos.
    there is NO QUESTION WHATSOEVER that there is no issur Lashon horah here.
    go learn & see for yourself!!!

  14. its amazing how many am haratzim post on this web site. mr lipman is arguing with the top torah scholars in the world. just because lipman knows a little about how to keep a kosher kitchen doesn’t meen he can argue with people who know the entire torah by heart. reb chaim finishes kol hatorah kulah every year- maybe we could ask mr lipman what he’s accomplished in torah this year. maybe someone wants to faher him .

  15. #11 – YG writes “”he is not guilty of harisas v’churban hadas”””!!!???…well in regard to his position that the women of the kotel can daven with talis and tefilin read below his response to my email which i wrote
    “”!! ??? ???? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ?? “”?? ?? ?? ??? ????”” !! ????? ???? ??? ???? ???? – ???? !! ??? ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????? !! ??? ???? ??? ??????? ?????? ?? “”???? ?????? ??????? “”. ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ???? ??????? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ???? 24/7. ????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ???????? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???????? ??
    and his response -“”
    ????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??? ???? ??? ??????? ????? ????? ?? ????? ????. ??? – ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ????. ??????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ?? ???
    ??? ????? ?? ????.
    “”
    So matzav is paskening or he paskens??? From historical pictures from the time of british and turkish rule when jews were barely permitted to approach the kotel let alone to daven and certainly put up a mechitza or aron kodesh or blow shofar he deduces that the kotel was not recognized and does not have a din of a beit knesset >> No halachic sources – no shulchan aruch not even concrete historical facts !!- so all you defenders out there of dov — you ready to accept that about the kotel ??? why all goyim that come there understand that it is the holiest remnant of our holiest spot in the world for the whole world – Tel Talpiot!! but this knesset member does not know this !!! Is this not destruction of a cornerstone of our religion and he wants to take that away from us as well ??.

  16. #18
    We refer to the conservative and reform leaders as “rabbi” when we are in front of their misguided followers, lest those foolish people lose whatever remnant and distorted version of kvod harav they may still have. That rasha’s followers are not misguided people who seek to feel Jewish while following their distorted and watered-down ideology. His followers are people who are well aware of the halacha and who are out to deceive people. Rabbi Feinstein’s ruling referred to reform congregations in USA after the war — a very different situation from Haskalah in Germany or Poland in the previous century. The latter was fought without compromises, and still there was Churban Europa R”L and I shudder at the thought of the future.

  17. Check out this from the Maharam Shick on Avos:

    ????”? ??? ??????? ????? ???? (??? ??? ?’):

    “??? ????? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ???? ??? ?????, ????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ???????.- ??? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??????, ???? ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????(???? ????? ?”?), ???? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ?? ???? (??????? ???? ???? ?”?) ?????? ??? ?? ????… ?????? ???? ??? ?????? ?”? ??? ???? ?? ????? ????, ?? ???? ??? ???? ????? ????? ??? ??????, ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????, ?????? ????? ??? ?? ????? ???? ?????, ??? ??? ???? ???? ????. ??? ????? ?????? (?’ ?”?) ????? ?????? ????, ??? ?? ???? ?”? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ????? ?? ?????. ??? ?? ?? ???? ??”? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?????, ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ????? ???? ??? ????? ?????. ??? ?? ?”? ?????? ??? ????: “?? ???? ????? ????? ????, ?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ???? ????-[??? ??] ?? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ?????. ???? ??? ????? ???????”. ?”?.

  18. I would like to thank #25 for letting me realize the mistake in my comment, while also apologizing to the readers who misinterpreted (due to my error) what I was trying to say.

    I stand corrected.

  19. Mr. Lipman is carving himself a special place in gehinnom starting up with the lomdei torah a true shonah u’peirush rosha me’roosha

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