MK Lipman: Palestinian Terrorists ‘Change’ for the Better in Prison


dov-lipmanYesh Atid MK Dov Lipman told Arutz Sheva about his experiences at a recent meeting with Palestinian Authority (PA) officials, sponsored by the leftist Geneva Initiative – a group that favors a “peace deal” involving a large scale Israeli retreat from Judea and Samaria.

“I received an invitation to a meeting and I thought that I have an opportunity to sit opposite people who, in the past, were part of the attempt to liquidate the state of Israel, and are now willing to talk,” he explained. “I raised some tough questions and received answers, and now I am maintaining a dialogue with them.”

As an example of “tough questions,” MK Lipman told of his response to the Arabs’ statements, that the terrorist prisoners are “our soldiers” and that if the PA was holding Israeli prisoners, Israel would also want them freed as part of a peace deal.

Lipman said that he told the Arabs that if an Israeli soldier had used an ax to murder an old man who did nothing but walk down the street, no Israelis would be demanding his release, and Israelis would want to see him in jail also. Besides, he said, such attacks by Israelis don’t take place at all. His Arab interlocutors, he said, had difficulty answering this.

Lipman also said that some of the Arabs he spoke to had themselves served time in Israeli jails. They said that they had had conversations with their jailers and grew to better understand the Israeli side. “I am not saying that they turned into saints, but something happened to them,” Lipman said.

Read more at Arutz Sheva.

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  2. The question is whether he left Torah and then his mind became skewed or did his mind first get twisted and then he left Torah.

    May his Din be good this Rosh Hashana and may he do tshuva and have a kapora on Yom Kippur.

  3. #4 that’s correct. But we don’t disagree with him because we think he is a bad person, rather only because his lips are moving.

  4. > “May Klal Yisrael be saved from him and his cohorts in whatever way Hashem chooses.” [Commenter No. 5]

    >> May Klal Yisrael be saved from all of MK Lipman’s self-righteous judges, juries and executioners who regularly post their lashon hara about him on the web.

    Odds are that most of his vicious critics are taking their pot shots at him from the comfort of their armchairs in Lakewood, Boro Park, Flatbush, and the like — year after year spurning Eretz Yisrael HaKodesh in favor of the good life in America. R. Lipman and his wife moved themselves and their children to the front lines in Eretz Yisrael. For that alone — for embracing the mitzvah of Yishuv Ha’Aretz — he is heads and tails above all the Ohavei Chutz L’Aretz, the pseudo-Jews who have the chutzpah to raise their voices against an Ohaiv Eretz Yisrael. Yes indeed, may Hashem save us from all the died-in-the-wool, mindlessly carping, galutniks.

  5. he gets paid a huge salary which includes the use of a car on taxpayer account. If this is how he spends his time then perhaps a campaign for his impeachment is in order. what a waste of precious time and money

  6. #9 – pseudo Jews??
    You must be kidding.

    You’re calling Jews “pseudo Jews” because they’re not being mekayem the Mitzvah of Yishuv Eretz Yisrael?!
    And if I was, for example, to call a Jew a pseudo Jew for not keeping Shabbos, or for not wearing Tzitzis, or because he eats treif, would you not call me an intolerant Hareidi Taliban zealot?
    So let me get this straight- According to you a Jew who observes all the mitzvos in chutz la’aretz is a pseudo-Jew. While a Jew who embraces the mitzvah of Yishuv Ha’Aretz is exempt from all other 612 and retains his Jewish status.

    You would do well to consider adding a bit of Ahavas Yisrael to your Ahavas Eretz Yisrael. But you do encapsulate nicely the outlook of many misguided souls among us, who, while they may be srugim, are still an immutable part of Klal Yisrael.

  7. Dov is a good person. He is saying logical things. He’s just saying some Arabs have been able to see our view and also listen to our arguments and not have a reply. He was invited to go and his attendance was legit. Give the guy some space.

  8. > “dear number 9 as r gifter would say d path to gehennom is paved w good intentions !!!!!!!!!!!”

    >> Oh please! How dare you quote Rav Gifter (in broken English no less). The Rosh Yeshiva MADE ALIYAH in 1977 (before Nefesh b’Nefesh existed to serve up Eretz Yisrael on a silver platter to today’s spoiled galutniks). He was forced to return to Cleveland when Rav Sorotzkin was niftar. But as it was reported in “Mishpacha” (12/29 /2010, pp. 33–34):

    “Rabbi Gifter never recovered from the tremendous loss that he felt for his first love, Eretz Yisrael, and did not return to his on-campus residence, but moved into small quarters in the students’ dormitory to accentuate his feeling of being in golus.”

    The Rosh Reshiva was NOT an ohaiv chutz l’Aretz like all the spiritual descedants of the meraglim who cling to their lives in the goldena medina (Rachmana Litzlan).

  9. To Mr. Golutnik (no. 13):

    The following is related by Rabbi Shalom Gold (formerly of the Young Israel of West Hempstead) in his article “Eretz Yisrael: The Passion of our Time” [Viewpoint, Sept. 2010, vol. 52/no. 3):

    The story is told of a Diaspora Jew who studied in-depth the whole range of opinions about yishuv ha’Aretz and then called and made an appointment with Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach. He began to pour out all the knowledge he had committed to memory when Rav Auerbach said softly in Yiddish, “Es iz nisht vichtig” — “it is not important.” Our diaspora hero was devastated. In desperation he asked, “What does the Rosh Yeshiva mean, it’s not important?” Rav Shlomo Zalman replied: “Just open up a Chumash and read, and you will see that RATZON HASHEM IS THAT JEWS SHOULD LIVE IN ERETZ YISRAEL.”

    Rabbi Gold continues: “In this seemingly simple exchange Rav Shlomo Zalman expressed a significant and crucial dimension of halachah — the express will of HaShem has all the force and power of a Divine imperative.”

    Similarly, Mr. Galutnik, everything that you wrote – your impugning to me ideas that I never expressed, your setting up of a straw man to knock down — “iz nisht vichtig!” Rav Shlomo Zalman couln’t have said it more forcefully: the RATZON HASHEM is that JEWS SHOULD LIVE IN ERETZ YISRAEL! So tell me: is there anything about the import of this statement that eludes you? If yes, go argue with G-d! If no, stop being a pseudo-Jew who spurns the Torah’s directive (and HaShem’s Ratzon) to live in Eretz Yisrael, and get out of chutz l’Aretz while the getting’s good! (And you talk to me about being misguided? Sheesh!)

  10. Mr Aliyah,
    You are making assumptions – that I am a “Mr” and that I am a “Galutnik,” that may or may not be factual. More importantly, you completely misunderstood my objection to your post.
    Nowhere in what I wrote will you find any indication that I do not agree that Yishuv Eretz Yisrael is a beautiful thing (whether or not the mitzvah applies now is open to debate and, as you point out, not relevant to the discussion). My objection was to your use of the phrase pseudo Jew.
    I see you like to employ pejoratives,as evidenced by your creative use of the word “Galutnik,” instead of, shall we say, a Jew not yet privileged to reside in Eretz Yisrael. But the phrase pseudo Jew is completely unacceptable and incorrect. There is no such thing as a pseudo Jew. If a Jew, privileged to be born with a Jewish Neshama, does not observe Mitzvot, be they Mitzvot that we hold dear like Yishuv Ertetz Yisrael, or Mitzvot that we pay less attention to, perhaps like Shmiras Halashon or the laws of Ribbis, he remains a Jew. For as long as he lives. We may feel heartbroken that he distances himself from the Torah, but he remains a Jew.
    You have no right to call any Jew a pseudo Jew, if you object to the fact that she does not cover her hair or elbows, or even if you object to the fact that he lives in Rome or Cincinnati.

  11. #9 I know. We are all great sinners like the Rambam, Ramban, Rashi, Chofetz Chaim, Maharsha, and 99% of klal yisroel over the last 2000 years.
    Now of course Yishuv Ha’aretz is a great thing, however according to the poskim I have spoken to, it does not absolve anyone who lives in Eretz Yisroel from keeping any of the Mitzvos. Hence if we have a problem with Lipman’s behaviour, the fact that he lives in E”Y and we live in CHU”L is not going to absolve him of what he is doing wrong.
    I remember some kid who went off the derech and then joined the Israeli army, and then came up with the chazal, kol hayosheiv bechu”l keilu yosaiv beli torah beli mitzvos etc etc. (something like that)
    Well its the other way around buddy. Yishuv Eretz Yisroel does not come before anything else!