Pastor Refuses To Mourn Orlando Victims: ‘The Tragedy Is That More Of Them Didn’t Die’

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Following the deadliest shooting in U.S. history, a Baptist preacher stood at his pulpit Sunday night in Northern California and delivered an impassioned sermon praising the brutal massacre at a club in Florida designed for those who live a toeivah lifestyle.

Pastor Roger Jimenez from Verity Baptist Church in Sacramento told his congregation that Christians “shouldn’t be mourning the death of 50 sodomites.”

“People say, like: Well, aren’t you sad that 50 sodomites died?” Jimenez said, referencing the initial death toll in Orlando, which authorities later clarified included 49 victims plus the gunman. “Here’s the problem with that. It’s like the equivalent of asking me – what if you asked me: Hey, are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?’

“Um, no, I think that’s great. I think that helps society. You know, I think Orlando, Fla., is a little safer tonight.”

He added: “The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die. The tragedy is – I’m kind of upset that he didn’t finish the job!”

The sermon has drawn scorn from community leaders and others who have called it “hateful propaganda” and “bigotry.”

Jay Brown, spokesman for the Human Rights Campaign, said there is “nothing whatsoever Christian” in the pastor’s sermon.

“He’s preaching hate from the pulpit,” Brown said in a statement to The Washington Post. “His words offer no comfort to the survivors of the attack, to the family and friends whose loved ones they’ll never see again.

Members of the toeivah community are not allowed to join Verity Baptist or attend its services, according to the church’s “What We Believe” page. It states the church believes it is “a sin and an abomination before God which God punishes with the death penalty.”

“I wish the government would round them all up, put them up against a firing wall, put a firing squad in front of them, and blow their brains out,” Jimenez said during his Sunday sermon, which Verity Baptist posted on its website under the title “the Christian response to the Orlando murders.”

Jimenez declined to comment Monday when a CBS Sacramento camera crew showed up at his home.

Video of the sermon, uploaded to the church’s YouTube channel, was removed late Monday or early Tuesday “for violating YouTube’s policy on hate speech.” A copy of the video was later uploaded by a different YouTube user.

The sermon runs for 45 minutes.

Hours after a lone gunman went into the club and shot and killed 49 people, Jimenez suggested that their deaths were well-deserved.

“As Christians, we should not be taking a sympathetic approach to these types of news and saying: This was a tragedy, this is something that we’re sad about, we should be mourning these people,” he said. “The Bible teaches that they’re all predators. That’s all the Bible says about them: They’re wicked, they’re vile, they’re predators. And God says that they deserve the death penalty for what they do . . .

“I’m not saying that we should be doing that. But in God’s government, where God set up the laws and God set up the rules and God set up the people in charge, God said: When you find a sodomite, put them to death.”

He continued:

“Let me say this: As Christians, we shouldn’t be advocating the killing of Sodomites. I’m not standing up here tonight and saying: Let’s go get some guns, and let’s go get ’em. That’s not what I’m saying at all. People will sometimes hear people like me preach, or other pastors, and say: You guys are advocating violence. We’re not advocating violence. We’re not saying we should go do this.

“But we’re just saying this: If we lived in a righteous nation, with a righteous government, then the government should be taking them. There’s no tragedy. I wish the government would round them all up, put them up against a firing wall, put a firing squad in front of them, and blow their brains out.

“If we lived in a righteous government that loved God and loved children and wanted to protect them, that’s what we’d do. I’m not saying we should do it. I’m not saying we should go, you know, blow up Planned Parenthood. I’m not saying that at all. All I’m saying is this: If God has his way, that’s what he’d do. And by the way, in the millennium, that’s what will be done. God’s laws will be re-established.

The pastor’s sermon drew a strong rebuke from Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson who tweeted:

“The hateful comments made by a preacher in Sacramento do not reflect Christian values and have no place in our society.”

Austin Webster, communications director for California Community Colleges, said that he was “absolutely disgusted” by the “message of hate.”

Angry commenters flooded the church’s Facebook page.

Sandré Nelson of the Davis Phoenix coalition, a nonprofit group that works to prevent hate-motivated violence in the Sacramento Valley, told CBS Sacramento that he was stunned by the pastor’s sermon.

“He’s not a man of God,” Nelson told the news station. “He’s not a man teaching a true religion.”

(c) 2016, The Washington Post · Lindsey Bever 

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37 COMMENTS

  1. where is the few words to turn this from a christian sermon into a somewhat jewish piece? I doubt the word Toevah does it, so I was wondering what the reasoning was.

  2. Mr Jimenez I am not sure if I were you that I’d look so much forward to the day idolaters will meet their fate.

      • With that viewpoint why did your ancestors come to the tolerent usa! Hypocrite! If you tear down the wall to protect one you inevitably weaken the walls to protect others! Americans should be protected from psychopaths regardless of ideology etc.!

  3. This is so desolate and fearful of just the ready hard day being the scared society that the world can see that of course “it was coming” and “it was the war” that the ignorant want to fight against any human right of human voice in any nation including America.

    Toevah, indeed it is. But they have human rights that can improve as they can repent, change their ways and integrate into a greater human culture.

    Until then, these people who were slaughtered and massacred are still the 50 people who could have contributed to the economy, done some jobs in your community and held other positions necessary to human development.

    Arabia and Arab lands scrutinizes, jails and executes the toeivah. That is not the western culture that has been expanding to include freedom and human rights.

    Scary times of course as it is. The 1980s never saw such shame and hate as this current decade.

    We can assure ourselves that baptist preachers and many more of the Esau Christian faith are not going to find rational voice in many of their pulpits if hate and terror are the mainstay of terror aggressive acts of bad changing terror.

    My thoughts,

    Crass and hateful. But its nice to see a report on Matzav. We can see what negativity exists in our world.

    G-d bless America. This nation can fix its problems and we can still look for liberty and human value.

    Pastors do not speak for Israel.

    Tragic.

  4. it can be easily argued it may be the worst sin in the Torah
    . However,being that were in Galus and that these sickos seem to multiply at an alarming rate,it isn’t too likely until Moshiach.

        • Idea. Torah as a VOICE for Life. Using it as a manual alone is not good enough for learning that the bible is more than just a dusty book to share with your wife.

          War against gentiles is not the goal. The non-jew in a toeivah restitution is not Israel’s wage on our war. We must strengthen Israel so that the world will eventually leave those ways behind.

          No need to cry to the wage of Hate on any issue. The hate is not the faster track to know Hashem.

        • So your saying that Jews can abrogate the need for a sanhedrin deliberating? and start murdering anyone who is viewed as an abomination?? That doesnt sound like judiasm. That sounds like fanaticism!

  5. I’m not so sorry all those “happy” folks died, for precisely that reason, but I don’t recommend either carrying out such an attack or even voicing my opinion. This is something like the Emperor’s clothes.

  6. Is he so wrong, from a Torah standpoint? If we found out that this particular club did cater to pedophiles, wouldn’t most of us find it hard to be heartbroken? But, aside from being politically incorrect in this era of twisted morality, reacting to this shooting simply as though a personally conflicted meshuganeh shot up a den of iniquity is a distraction from the real crime: that a Moslem (radical Islamist) executed a lot of Americans, and he isn’t being called on it, just like the other Moslem shooters (Fort Hood, etc.) weren’t.

  7. In this world of political correctness
    No body is a loud to say anything which will affend those who are the wrong doers…

    There will come a time when straight people will be the odd ones…

  8. Quite frankley its disgusting that somebody would blame the victims. In america nobody should be targeted for their beliefs as long as they don’t harm or affect anyone else outside their dalid amus!
    Lets not forgot jews are in golus! God forbid imagine this guy could have chosen a jewish target just as easily!

  9. we don’t hate people. their sinful acts may be disgusting, but we still don’t hate people. sorry that is not the torah way.

    • Wrong, look in Tehillim,Psalms,about hating those who Hashem hates. Stop worrying about being politically correct, worry what you’ll tell Hashem, that Christians and Muslims repudiate this abhorrentlifestyle,while you don’t hear a peep from Hashem’s chosen nation,look at what happened to Yonah(Jonah) for not condemning the lifestyle of Ninveh,and millennia later it’s happening again.

  10. One can say, that there is cause and effect, and is the pastor so wrong and all that, but we know that we can’t draw direct correlations in this world at this time. Prophets can. Maybe, maybe we have some great people in this world who can. It is a travesty to say that this ill-spoken clergyman is on that level.

  11. Moderators,unless you are Anti-Torah please stop editing my comments, this is Daas Torah, are you trying to appease those who hate Hashem and the Torah?You publish one Anti-Torah comment after another,but moderate and edit mine?

  12. It is very sad that someone would make such disgusting comments about massacring the Hashem’s creations. By the way many of the people sacrifice were parents, and not even living that type of lifestyle.

  13. This preacher could of said something like: The tragedy is that these young people now will never get the chance to know God.

  14. The pastor could of said something on the lines of “it’s a tragedy that these young people now will never have the change to know God on a personal level” God alone should be the judge of us here on earth. Shame on this pastor and his congregation should shun him to the point of his church being shut down.

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