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Rav Menashe Klein Asks Rav Elyashiv to Pasken On the Geulah

Thursday January 20, 2011 10:02 AM - 32 Comments

rav-elyashiv2Various admorim and Torah giants were known for asking morei horaah, halachic adjudicators, to pasken that Moshiach should come. These rabbonim would say that a morah horaah, a posek, is given certain powers to issue a halachic ruling that can impact the metzius, the reality, of the world.

It was with this in mind that Rav Menashe Klein, noted posek and author of the Mishneh Halachos, who currently resides in Eretz rav-menashe-kleinYisroel, posed a request to the posek hador at his home in Meah Shearim.

Rav Klein, during a recent visit to Maran Rav Yosef Shalom Elyashiv, asked the centenarian gadol to pasken that Moshiach should come. Rav Elyashiv politely refused, stating, “We cannot pasken [that the geulah should come], but rather, we should believe in and anticipate [the coming of the geulah].”

{Yair Alpert-Matzav.com Israel}

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32 Responses to “Rav Menashe Klein Asks Rav Elyashiv to Pasken On the Geulah”

1. Comment from doug
Time January 20, 2011 at 10:08 AM

How does one pasken for something that only the RBSO can do? Any mekoros on this?

2. Comment from Yeshivayid
Time January 20, 2011 at 10:09 AM

He was by Rab Ovadia yosef last week and spoke to him privately.

3. Comment from EY YID
Time January 20, 2011 at 10:31 AM

May both live healthy and strong until the Coming of Moshiach.

4. Comment from Daniel
Time January 20, 2011 at 10:51 AM

#1 - you can’t, which is what Rav Elyashiv responded.

5. Comment from AlbertEinstein
Time January 20, 2011 at 11:15 AM

#1: Two answers:

(1) Lo bashomayim hi.

(2) Tzaddik gozer, v’HKB”H mekayem.

6. Comment from michali
Time January 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM

What does RBSO mean?

7. Comment from RSG
Time January 20, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Regarding doug’s comment, Chazal tell us that meshiach’s comming is dependent upon us, Klal Yisroel, as it says “hayom im bekoli sha’mata”.

8. Comment from Anonymous
Time January 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM

There is probably a piece missing to this story. It doesn’t make sense that someone can force Moshiach to come. That sounds like another sect in Klal Yisroel, which we disagree with.
Mosiach is up to us as well. We should continue with mitzvohs and make him want to come and redeem us.

B’ezras Hashem he should come soon, even if we don’t force it upon him.

9. Comment from Anonymous
Time January 20, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Beautiful

10. Comment from FYI
Time January 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM

יישר כחך to Maran HaRav Elyoshiv shlit”a for sticking to the true Yiddishe derech

11. Comment from Anonymous
Time January 20, 2011 at 1:02 PM

very strange

12. Comment from FYI
Time January 20, 2011 at 1:03 PM

“Various admorim and Torah giants were known for asking morei horaah, halachic adjudicators, to pasken that Moshiach should come. These rabbonim would say that a morah horaah, a posek, is given certain powers to issue a halachic ruling that can impact the metzius, the reality, of the world.”

Can we have sources for this saying from motrei horaah?

13. Comment from The Beast
Time January 20, 2011 at 1:06 PM

I think what he meant to say was that we all have to behave properly first. Similar to what Rav Chaim said that Moshiach is coming very soon but … (another article in Matzav).

14. Comment from tzefasyid
Time January 20, 2011 at 1:31 PM

RBSO is ribono shel olam

15. Comment from cd
Time January 20, 2011 at 1:49 PM

to michali ribono sel olam mastter of the universe

16. Comment from Anonymous
Time January 20, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Thanks for this inspiring report.

We are fortunate to have such a gadol hador like Rav Elyashiv!

17. Comment from Anonymous
Time January 20, 2011 at 3:06 PM

See the famous Be’er Hagolah to Choshen Mishpat 348:1.

18. Comment from art
Time January 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM

To the Editor,

What in Heaven’s name were you thinking when you posted this story?

19. Comment from ungvar chosid
Time January 20, 2011 at 3:27 PM

dear matzav here is the photo of this visit pls download it & post it! thanx

http://cbci16.b1.gns.co.il/imagebank/orig/orig_286E3B5EBCB14FB2827A7A848236F391.JPG

20. Comment from sorry
Time January 20, 2011 at 5:04 PM

# 17 - Your Be’er Hagolah is so famous - it isn’t even there. It’s a misquote. Would love to see the right one though

21. Comment from beethovens friend
Time January 20, 2011 at 8:11 PM

What we should be praying for is the ingathering of the exiles. And I do not mean exiles from the Land of Zion…. The real exiles are all the Jewish people who do not live under Torah Law. Be it in our time that many more will come to Torah Law.

22. Comment from wake-up call
Time January 20, 2011 at 8:12 PM

I”m sorry to tell you the truth but in the world today (especially in America) we are not yearning for the Bais Hamikdosh, & mourning over it etc… in order for someone to get something (ex. a baby, a shidduch, a livlihood etc…) he needs to yearn for it & cry out to Hashem.
All of us have heard, read & seen tons of true stories of people who had their first child at 42 or had a sick child that the doctor said i’m very sorry but your daughter has only 3 hours to live & then he comes back 2 hours later & says its really a miracle but your child is beginning to recover. Why is it that they finally had a child & the child recovered? Its a Pasuk we say 3 times a day in Davening. Hashem is close to all who call to him, to all who call out truthfully. (Tehillim 145)Because they cried out from their heart, they really meant what they were saying when they davened to H-shem to have a baby or for his daughter to recover etc…. theres a reason we call Hashem, Avinu She’bashamayim (our father in heaven) Hashem loves us from a father to a son. If we really cried out for the Bais Hamikdosh from our heart with truth & show that we are missing it, then we wouldn’t still be in Golus today.

23. Comment from Anonymous
Time January 20, 2011 at 8:17 PM

fasinating
also shows the kavod rav klein has for rav elyashiv
moridik

24. Comment from ..bedieved
Time January 20, 2011 at 8:39 PM

#17 what does hilchos geneivah and the Be’er Hagolah have to do with anything??

25. Comment from Litvak
Time January 20, 2011 at 8:47 PM

veaf alk pi sheyismamaeiah im kolz eh achaket

26. Comment from Anonymous
Time January 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM

great question

great answer

27. Comment from doug
Time January 20, 2011 at 9:15 PM

I am fully aware, as an MA student in Jewish Studies, that there is a strong tradition that human actions can influence the Divine, and so, our mitzvos can help bring about the advent of Moshiach. However, this does not seem to indicate that a posek’s psak can magically bring about Moshiach. There are a whole cadre of prophetic circumstances that must be fulfilled according to the Neviim.

28. Comment from MIESQ
Time January 20, 2011 at 10:34 PM

None of us talking back are anywhere near the levels of G-D awareness of these two Gedolei HaDorNoe of us know if there is Chas V’Shalom a heavy G’zar Din about to be issued that the actions of Torah Great on Earth are necessary for the benefit of the generation

Maybe Rav Eliyashiv’s answer should be understood that instead of relying on our generals to fight on our behalf each of us must carry our own weight in bringing the Geulah closer.

29. Comment from Boris Karshinov
Time January 20, 2011 at 11:15 PM

The gemara in Bava Metzia (Daf 84?) makes it clear that one shouldn’t daven for Moshiach to come before its time.

30. Comment from beethovens friend
Time January 21, 2011 at 4:45 AM

We must concentrate on rebuilding Jerusalem. How is this done? This is not about building infrastructure. Rebuilding Jerusalem means that we bring the light of Torah to the world. When the light of the Jewish people shines in humanity, Jerusalem is rebuilt in the minds of all of mankind.

31. Comment from michali
Time January 22, 2011 at 10:58 PM

Ribbono shel Oilam, we have no one else to turn to. please listen to our simple voices.

IT IS TIME TO BRING THE GEULAH SHLEYMA AND MOSHIACH NOW!!!!!!!!!!

32. Comment from Mike S
Time January 25, 2011 at 9:57 PM

Let each of us do his part by turning to HaKadosh baruch Hu with sincere tshuvah and ehrlichkeit.

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