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Rav Shteinman: The Tachlis Is To Be a Ben Torah

Wednesday December 5, 2012 11:05 AM - 16 Comments

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16 Responses to “Rav Shteinman: The Tachlis Is To Be a Ben Torah”

1. Comment from Humble Gumble
Time December 5, 2012 at 1:42 PM

What is the definition of a “Ben Torah”?

2. Comment from R Mordechai
Time December 5, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Learning Torah is the Yisod of Klal Yisroel.
I don’t understand, why is it that in the entire Tenaach, where there are countless stories and detailed episodes, of the Yidden during Bayis Rishon and part of Bayis Sheini, but yet, there isn’t even one mention, in any Posuk, of somebody learning Torah?

3. Comment from To R’ Mordechai
Time December 5, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Tongue in cheek, I would answer, the same reason why midos are not mentioned as part of the Torah - the underpinnings of Judiasm are not mentioned (R’ Chaim Vital - Sha’ar Hakedusha. However, a simple persual of Chumash will reveal most of Chumash is Limud Hatorah and not ’stories and episodes’. Many Halochos are learned out of what is stated in Tanach, and the actions taken by those mentioned in Navi(for example, the Issur of speaking Divrei Chol on Shabbos is based on a pasuk in Yeshaya). Without learning Torah constantly, how would the people mentioned know the minute detail of Shabbos law to know how to act? As the Gemara in Nedarim writes, why was the Beis Hamikdash destoyed, because they did not make a Bracha on Limud Hatorah first, and as the Ran explains, because, they did think Torah was important enough to make a Bracha.
There are many more examples, but space limitations and moderators make any more details extraneous

4. Comment from Herr Dokter.
Time December 5, 2012 at 2:56 PM

It does say והגית בה יומם ולילה.

5. Comment from jw
Time December 5, 2012 at 3:25 PM

@ R Mordechai,
You need to learn Tanach with the M’forshim. Tanach is full of accounts of individuals and Klal Yisroel learning Torah. One can’t fully understand Tanach without learning with a Rebbe and/or the M’forshim.

6. Comment from anon
Time December 5, 2012 at 4:04 PM

There also isn`t any mention of anyone breathing.

7. Comment from Curious
Time December 5, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Is this a chiddush? Do we need a Gadol BeYisroel to tell us what should be obvious to all?

8. Comment from ben torah
Time December 5, 2012 at 5:36 PM

#1
A ben torah is someone who tries his best to do everything Al Pi Torah

9. Comment from Mike
Time December 5, 2012 at 6:18 PM

it would be nice if someone posted a translation

10. Comment from chaim
Time December 5, 2012 at 6:28 PM

#2
Because the point is obvious & theres no need to mention

11. Comment from benyamin m
Time December 5, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I am sorry for those who think they know what a ben torah means and they do not. This is the most difficult question to answer. Only Ha-shem knows a real ben torah through his heart and actions.

12. Comment from shmoooze and the aweater
Time December 5, 2012 at 11:14 PM

good stuff matzav
keep posting good hock like this
thanks

13. Comment from Davening Time
Time December 6, 2012 at 2:49 AM

לקיים בנו חכמי ישראל

נא להתפלל עכשיו עבור הגאון הצדיק המגיד “שלמה ליב בן מרים” רבי שלמה ברעוודה שליט”א - מגדולי הדרשנים בעולם - בארץ ישראל - ובארצות הברית – הרב שליט”א שעם ישראל זקוק לו, חולה במחלה קשה ומצבו הבריאותי ירוד, ונמצא במצב קשה מאד, נא ונא לקרוע את השמים! להרבות בתפילה לרפואתו, וללמוד תורה לזכותו, ולהרבות בצדקה : “שלמה ליב בן מרים” לרפואה שלמה בתוך שאר חולי ישראל

ותשובה ותפילה וצדקה מעבירין את רוע הגזירה

יישר כוח לכל המתאחדים בתפלה

14. Comment from R Mordechai
Time December 6, 2012 at 8:56 AM

To 3, 4, 5 & 10

But wouldn’t we expect that at least one of hundreds of episodes recounted, would mention that someone was in middle of learning;, after all they were all constantly learning.

15. Comment from Anonymous
Time December 6, 2012 at 2:43 PM

#14,

Right in the begining of Yehoshua, perek 2.

However, you fail to relize what Tanach and the Torah is. It is not a story book. It teaches us how to live, and it comands us many many many times to continuously learn Torah. What is the first Perek of Shema all about? Always learning.

We had to learn even durring times of battle. Etc etc

16. Comment from Shloimy
Time December 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM

To # 15

Can you quote a posuk in Yehoshuah, that says that they learned Torah. (eg V’lomdi Torah or V’oski B’limud Hatorah, or (eg., They came to Dovid and they saw ‘Sh’hoyo Oisek B’limud Hatorah’).

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