The Matzav Shmoooze: How I Got The Missionaries To Leave My Neighborhood

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missionariesDear readers,

[Photos below.] Yesterday afternoon, a young man from the group of missionaries you wrote about here on Matzav rang my doorbell.

I immediately figured out what it was he was offering me and politely declined. Then it occurred to me that I can do more. I said, “You know what? I’ll take one.” He give me the handout and I asked if I can have another copy, which he happily gave. I broke the DVDs in front of him and then left my house to follow him.

When he left a DVD by my neighbor’s home, I picked it up and broke it too. He was then joined by his partner. I made it clear that I will follow them and destroy every DVD they leave behind. I told them that these were my friends and I know they don’t want this material anywhere near their home.

After I broke one more DVD, the man made a call and two more members from the missionary group came from across the street. I followed them to the corner, where they stopped to figure out what to do. They decided that it was pointless to leave the DVDs at people’s houses if I was just going to throw them out. That’s when he made another phone call and two more missionaries from the next block joined.

I followed them until they said they will go. Attached are pictures of the six of them giving up and leaving my area, Kensington, Brooklyn.

Hatzlacha.

Z. C.

Brooklyn, NY

See below for photos:

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21 COMMENTS

  1. Dear matzav please be aware that “Tapuach Yid” who is strict about using Apple devices is unable to view these pictures. I would greatly appreciate it if matzav can post things in a way even ipadders can use.

    P.s. And especialy the video section of website doesnt work with ipad

  2. they came to kings highway/ocean parkway last summer on a shabbat.I stood on my front steps and shouted as if on a stage when they approached me wearing a j4j printed shirt. I YELLED AND SHOUTED”LOOK AT THESE LONELY XTIANS.they dont believe in their mangod. THEY NEED TO CONVERT JEWS TO PROVE TO THEMSELFS THAT there is myth mangod. LOOK AT THESE EVIL SINNERS XTIANS WHO WILL NOT ALLOW JEWS TO LIVE AND BELIEVE AS MOSES SHOWED US.

    That group of people styood there in defiance.I went into the street stopping cars pointing and shouting the same thing. ONe of them started walking to me as if in a menacing way. I RAN TO HIS FACE AND SAID ”YOU WANT ME? ” GET AWAY FROM THIS AREA OF YOU WILL SE MY WRATH AND THE REST OF US”
    THEY LEFT.
    DO NOT LET THESE PEOPLE INTIMIDATE YOU INTO LISTENING TO THEIR STORIES OF LIES.
    I AM A JEW WHO THEY HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME.
    I AS A JEW AM THE LIGHT.
    do not be brought or listen to their darkness.
    I AM A JEW WHO SERVES ONE GD WHO TOLD ISRAEL TO ”SEPARATE AND NOT TO INTERGRATE INTO OTHER NATIONS”

    David
    I welcome your emails on this subject.
    jewswithviews@gmail.com

  3. I wouldn’t recommend it for everyone but if you talk to them, what comes out their mouths is such nonsense, it’s hard to believe.

    One time a guy came to our door selling christianity, ‘the religion of love’
    My Father asked him, if the inquisition, crusades, progroms, blood libels, public burning of Torah in Paris etc etc, was all part of the religion of love!
    He left pretty quickly!!!!!!!!

  4. Our future problem will be the extremist group of Islam, who are surounding us. We can not pick up what they leave behind, it might be to dangerous.

  5. Thanks for your efforts. I wonder though, so you got them to leave your area. So maybe they will then go to a neighborhood where the people are not so frum and are more vulnerable to them ch”v. I’m not so sure that is such a great accomplishment.

    They are kids who may be brainwashed and not know much. They may be from outside the area and know little about Jews, esp. frum ones. Same with adults.

    I think an effort should be made to show them that we are not against them personally, we are not attacking their faith. The problem is when they try to convert Yidden.

    So I would first say to them nicely that we are not interested, we have the original covenant with G-d, so please do not bother us. Only then, if they persist, and stronger measures are necessary, then it is time to consider them. We don’t want to offend them unnecessarily and make them sonim, right?

    In the past I have met missionaries who are really Jewish. There is a possibility to bring them to teshuvoh. It has happened in the past. Of course one must be careful. But the point is that we should try to not to bother them unnecessarily, only what is needed to protect our people. Defense, not offense.

    Anyway, frum people, who learn Torah, are basically not vulnerable to their baloney. Who would buy a cheap counterfeit imitation if you have the real thing? So yes, we should take steps to protect ourselves and other Yidden, but with seichel.

  6. #7 Tuly,

    Rav Elchonon ZTVK”L makes it quite clear, when a spiritual danger arises, like Chanukah, then we must fight (wisely).

    A physical one, we must focus on teshuvah and tefilah, like Purim.

  7. #9,

    your compassion is misplaced. Are you accusing them of belonging in mental asylums? (Not a bad idea..) They are well aware that this bothers and antagonizes us. It is not our job to let them try to give out their garbage because “maybe they will then go to a neighborhood where the people are not so frum”. That’s a maybe, and this is certain. Ain sofek motzie miday vadai. We dare not be smarter than the Torah.

    I wonder if you are one of them

  8. Thanks for all the brochos…

    To Number 9.

    I made it very clear to them that I have nothing against them personally.

    I told them they can believe whatever they like and even try and share their beliefs. Its a free country after all.

    But I said, it is extremely deceitful and disrespectful to use Jewish symbols to trick people into taking their DVDs.

    One of them even admitted to me that he didn’t feel so good about giving the DVDs out. When I called him on it in front of his friends he denied it. I told them they should tell their “leaders” to use the correct symbols on their packaging. Like that will ever happen.

    To be sure they were not at all upset at me… We said goodbye on very good terms.

    None of them were Jewish.

    Either way it is good that this story is getting around so that other neighborhoods can do the same thing.

    Last week I saw of video of what happened when they came to boro park. Even thought people were in their face telling them that they were not wanted I don’t know what the outcome was. Did they actually leave? The point is just by destroying 4 of their DVDs and making it clear that I will throw out everyone they leave behind they realized their work was pointless.

    I was surprised at how easy it worked.

  9. #9 YOUR INNOCENSE IS COMMENDABLE but not practable. They are professional salesmen. They are trained to be silent to any answers in dialogue we give and AFTER WE JEWS WHETHR TORAH JEWS OR LESS KNOWLEDGEABLE JEWS , AFTER WE ARE WINDED AND TALKED OUT WITH OUR COUNTER POINTS, THEN THEY ATTACK IN FULL WITH SUCH BEAUTY AND SINCERITY.Foolish one of us buy not their words as much as their play acting looking us straightin the eye.AND WE STAY TO LISTEN, BECAUSE OF OUR ARROGANCE THAT WE ”THINK” THEY WILL LISTEN TO US. NO!
    THEY are trained not to listen, not to investigate, they are trained to spew their rubbish. I BEG OUR PEOPLE NOT TO ENGAGE WITH THESE PEOPLE. HOW MANY TIMES have we heard that in the end they will be sorted out. I am NOT NEAR the wisest of our people who can convince these so called ”jews” that they are wrong so I take the other advice….
    STAY AWAY… SHOUT THEM DOWN…DO NOT EVER THINK YOU ARE REACHING THEIR WISDOM OF TORAH… WE LEARN THEY DO NOT Have what is specifcally only for the NATION OF ISRAEL…WISDOM OF TORAH…I instead suggest that we rush to SAVE THE JEWS THAT ARE STILL JEWS…educate them update our techniques…
    not every JEW will be a TORAH/GEMARA EXPERT. OUR ENERGY MUST BE AS YOU #9 SAID….EDUCATION.. AND TORAH KNOWLEDGE IS THE BEST ANTIDOTE AGAINST THE OUTSIDERS.
    SAve what we have now. HASHEM will HANDLE THE REST. maybe they are not jews that some suspect are..
    thank you again for reading me
    MAY HASHEM GIVE ALL OF US STRENGTH TO ENDURE THE TRIALS ‘HE’ GIVES US.

    PLEASE I NEED PRAYERS FOR MY FATHER VERY VERY ILL IN Mt Sinai Hospital.
    (mother has sephardic name)
    refuah shelamah ABRAHAM CHAIM BEN ALTOON.
    THANKS
    email me anytime: jewswithviews@gmail
    or look at my blog all antimissionary stuff
    David aka DACON9

  10. I love toying with missionaries. `Once the JWs came to my door. I pointed to the mezuzah and talked their ears off about what it is, what it says what it means, and then I reminded them of Genesis 12:3 (“I will bless those who bless you…”) and I said, ‘and that’s why you should never proselytize to Jews’.

    One of them said, “well, you have a blessed day!” and they left. I was shocked that they gave up so easily. Next was my ‘the covenant is permanent and can never be changed’ speech.

  11. I also use tactics similar to #16. Often J’s witnesses knock on doors in my neighborhood. One Chanuka they knocked. I went on and on, giving a speech about religious freedom, and isn’t it terrific that in this wonderful country that one has freedom of religion and one can believe and worship as one sees fit, and that’s why as a Jew I am free to celebrate Chanuka, and can celebrate freedom from religious persecution and yada yada yada blah blah blah. I kept them there, giving a very long winded speech till their eyes glazed over….figured that if they were stuck with me, they were not peddling their beliefs somewhere else. Yes, I am a Jewish mother, I know how to lecture AND give megadoses of guilt, all at the same time! 🙂

  12. #16 As I said in #5, It’s amazing how ignorant they are!
    If they want to start talking about the Bible, ask them if they speak Hebrew. If they don’t (which is a given), say “so you want me to take your English translation of a Latin translation, of a Greek translation, of Hebrew?, I will stick to my plain Hebrew! Thanks and have a great day!

  13. i heard this from a former christian.

    it says in the book of Luke, if your neighbor asks for your possession, give it to him.

    next time they show up, quote the book of luke, ask them for anything, say thank you, and keep asking….. they will go away

  14. Ask them what happens after death to people who don’t believe their faith. Keep pressing until they are forced to admit that they believe nonbelievers will burn in hell forever.

    Then ask them about the Jews who perished in the Holocaust. They’ll waffle, but keep pushing them till they admit that yes, they believe the victims of Auschwitz are also in hell forever. If you had ch’v relatives who lost their lives, get specific about your bubbe/zeide, aunts, uncles etc.

    Then start asking about their “god of love” business. Does a loving god condemn people to eternal torment? Keep stressing that contradiction between “god of love” and “eternity in hell.” This will eventually really freak them out, and their leader will tell them to stay away from you so their own faith won’t be threatened. (You might even plant that seed of doubt that will blossom into freedom later.)

    Be aggressive without being nasty. Being nasty only gives them brownie points for being persecuted. Good luck with them. Remember, they sincerely believe what they’re peddling. I went to public school, and it broke my heart that my non-Jewish friends were so worried I wouldn’t be “saved.” They never could understand the idea that you could be religious and not also believe that anyone who didn’t agree with you was doomed.

  15. A friend’s grandmother has a nice way of dealing with missionaries. She tells them to give them all of their pamphlets etc. so that she can give it to all the neighbors for them. When they leave she dumps everything in the garbage.

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