The Truth About Those Who Feed the Anti-Frum Bloggers

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stabbingBy Rafael Gebrili

Anti-frum online portals constantly seem to get hold of literature, audio and other material from within our frum communities and then use them – of  course – to mock, disparage, and otherwise make fun of the frum community.

The materials – signs, recordings, pictures – are items that are sent only to members of the frum community or that are hanging only in frum areas. Thus, if a blogger living out in Yehuputz (and yes, some of the anti-frum bloggers do live away from the main Torah metropolises) get hold of these things to use as fodder with which to make fun of us, the frum community, and to ruin our reputations or worse, then it had to come from someone in the frum community.

Do you comprehend? People within the frum community give the material to anti-frum bloggers, clearly knowing that it will be used against us. Again, in case it isn’t clear, so-called frum people knowingly give information to people who openly hate us, assisting them in trying to paint the frum community negatively.

Almost all of the information and details reported on by anti-frum bloggers originates from the frum community itself – from those among us who have no conscience and don’t care about the ramifications of serving as enablers to those who derive the greatest pleasure from mocking us.

How low can people go? Very low, it appears.

The bloggers may be tinokos shenishbu or lost souls. Who knows. But those living in our very midst, who send their kids to our children’s schools, who behind our backs are assisting the anti-frum haters out there in the online world, may just be a lot worse. We may or may not know who some of them are based on their behavior, based on their past comments, and based on their overall demeanors. These things are harder to hide than they think. When someone cares about the frum community, it shows. Even when they are frustrated, they won’t turn their backs on their fellow frum Yidden. Those who hate the “establishment” have a hard time keeping their agenda hidden. And they sink so, so low that they actually turn on their own, helping those who spend their every day slandering us and finding anything negative that they can about Torah joys.

Unfortunately, they are rarely called out in public for it.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

Do they realize how far they have sunk? For how much longer will they continue to aid, abet and support the anti-Torah forces online?

May Hashem have rachmonus on them and guide them back to the right path.

Until then, we must beware of those among us – in our very own communities – who are constantly stabbing us in the back.

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23 COMMENTS

  1. Perhaps the real problem is that people produce these items in the first place, not that they are passed on to others. Don’t shoot the messenger.

  2. That’s one of the unfortunate new lows brought upon us in this era of internet., which is the fulfillment of: ????? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ?????.

  3. Aren’t these people tinokes shenishbu too? if they are anti establishment it is probably because they have never experienced or realized the richness of the “establishment”. they are probably hurt in one way or another somebody needs to reach out to them and give them a hug and show them how much we deeply care for them.

  4. Matzav, I find it curious that this article is prefaced with a knife in a bloody hand. This is probably a problem that there may be some very wicked people who post such ignorance that the adversary will grab it and use it perhaps in some manner to disparage the orthodox community. And perhaps that is how we can learn that we have some of our own betterment to do. But to actually say that we are being “stabbed in the back” is irregular and implies that you do not trust Jews to be Jewish. If you are trying to advance human trust in Hashem, there is a way to do it. If you are not working for good jewish trust, you might just be in need of more trust yourself. But to actually imply that our problems are our own cause by our own ignorant ways, that might be accurate, but it is not gratuitous. So I digress that this article is exactly the ignorance you speak of. The non-frum community should see this attack on common sense and go right after it. I know I will be concerned about the community that wants Discipline over Didactic Rehearsed Fear of Hashem.

    Best Regards.

  5. shooting the messenger much?

    I’ve seen some of the stuff that gets paraded around…

    Maybe the Frum Community should not be putting out flyers, signs and the like that will lead to ridicule.

    And maybe if those putting out the flyers, signs, pashkevelim and the like knew that they were ridiculed, they wouldn’t send around ridiculous stuff.

  6. How would you define an “anti-frum blogger”? What material is being sent from one kehilla to anti-frum bloggers?
    Any sign, notice, letter sent home to a Yeshiva parent is public property, any individual arrested is known through public notices & legal proceedings. Are we never to question, ponder on events happening within our community. Your post is inconclusive and pointing at every direction.

  7. The materials – signs, recordings, pictures – are items that are produced by members of the frum community or that are hanging in frum areas only because nobody has the decency to take such things down, or prevent them from being put up in the first place. Thus, if a blogger living out in Yehuputz (and yes, some of the anti-frum bloggers do live away from the main Torah metropolises) get hold of these things to use as fodder with which to make fun of us, the frum community, and to ruin our reputations or worse, then it only the fault of the frum community, for allowing such things to happen in the first place.

    Do you comprehend? People within the frum community are afraid to stand up and voice their opinion, because they are afraid of being branded “kofrim” by the kanoim. A

  8. The point not addressed in the post is whether the information posted is true or not .If true its a case of “do the crime do the time”.If false I agree it shouldn’t be printed

  9. > “Almost all of the information and details reported on by anti-frum bloggers originates from the frum community itself – from those among us who have no conscience and don’t care about the ramifications of serving as enablers to those who derive the greatest pleasure from mocking us.”

    >> And how is it that you come to know this? Do you have any evidence at all? Do you have copies of emails from the “enablers” to the mockers maybe, with damaging attachments and embarrassing links? There is almost no privacy in the world anymore and just about everything is available to anyone, from anywhere, on-line. So, I think that your accusation that there are individuals in the frum community who “turn on their own” is way overblown.

  10. Only bums read anti-frum sites anyhow, so who cares? The ones who feeds them are from the ones commenting on frum sites with chutzpah, zilzul and disrespect against our gedolim, and probably the ones who wonder why their children go off the derech.

  11. THE PROBLEM IS ALSO WHEN SOME OF THEM USED TO BE RELIGIOUS AND WENT OFF, THEY USUALLY UNDERSTAND THE LANDSCAPE AND CHANNELS TO GET HOLD OF THE DISPARAGING INFORMATION
    OY GOLUS

  12. Yes, you are right.

    The problem is when we do not have a listening ear to whom to bring our grievances to when “big” people have wronged us. This is what, sometimes, turns people to bloggers.

  13. Let’s have a witch-hunt. Who is guilty? Is it the neighbor? The local shop-keeper? You? Me?

    The truth is that anyone can walk through Boro Park or Crown Heights or Flatbush and buy all the frum newspapers they want, read the pashkvelim, listen to the radio shows. If they keep up with the secular New York City and state media they can pick up plenty there, too. Police reports are open to the public. For that matter, they can check out the frum news sites (like this one) and get additional info. And a lot of those bloggers are people who were raised frum, so they “know the neighborhood.” I’ve looked at some of them, and they’re almost all ex-frum, and very, very bitter.

    This article is pure paranoia. Don’t we have enough problems with machlokes without starting up something like this? Better we should learn why some of our kids leave with such bitterness, so there won’t be such bloggers to begin with.

  14. I know for a fact some Frumma Yidden that keep on feeding these “Anti Frum blogs” with ????? and innuendo and “alleged” information and news pieces, and that is for 2 reasons that I am aware off.
    1. They have a bone to pick and a score to settle with those that they send info about. Yes, I know this for a fact from more than just several occasions.

    2. They themselves have been a target of some of these “anti frum” blogspots, and the only way they can redeem themselves is through feeding them with more inside info etc.

    “you do the crime – you do the time is true, but these anti blogs are out just for the shmutz and nothing more and they would go to help anyone as long as it furthers there goal in spreading their outright Sinah and hatred to Yidden in general and to Frumma Yiden in particular.

  15. How many times can you beat a dead horse. The internet is a dangerous place for a Neshomo. Good people will use it for good and bad people with agendas will use it for bad. As everything else, in the real world, hit them in their advertising.

  16. This post is mamash on the money!!!! Those people who pass on things to those bloggers, whose websites are strictly for the purpose of fashmutzing the Chareidi world – will have a scary din v’cheshbon!!

    Some of the comments above are completely nonsensical.

    Thank you Matzav!!!!

  17. “If you Don’t know your enemy,you have lost”
    Napoleon

    #3. Chusid

    Everyone has some grievances.

    but let’s get real, some people are evil!

    #6just sayin
    #11 rational jew

    Ridiculous.
    This world is all about context.
    Bloggers goals have always been and will be to blow everything completely of out context!

    #13

    There are also lodes of “closet” bums

  18. Maybe you should say who and what blog you’re talking about. Some fools are already patting themselves on the back that you’re referring to them.

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