Harav Hagaon R.Y.S. ELYASHIV ZT”L the POSEK HADOR was fully aware,
1) of the ספרים הקדושים who write about all the השפעות טובות by being Lag Baomer in Meron.
2) of all the Gedolim of the past and present who traveled to Meron for Lag Baomer.
3) of the hundreds of thousands of Yidden who get inspiration & Chizuk in Meron on Lag Baomer.
4) of the thousands of ישועות & מופתים that happen every year to those who travel to Meron for Lag Baomer.
YET HE HELD, דעת תורה IS TO LEARN & NOT TO TRAVEL TO MERON FOR LAG BAOMER.
B”H we have many minhagim and many Gedolei and Poskei Hador. Every tzibbur should follow their manhigim.
This whole meshugas of going is a trend, no more. These people go for fun, they don’t feel the kedusha at all. Truly ehrlichia yidden don’t go. And I anyway wouldn’t want the treif tzioni police to protect me.
Unless somebody needs a yeshua, there is no reason to travel from America.
Come on, let’s be real. How many people who needed a yeshua, traveled to Meron on Lag Baomer, and bingo, had the yeshua they were looking for? Same thing with kevorim. That’s not how things work. If the person doesn’t change, no fire dancing or grave hopping is going to help.
There are many people who were childless and went to Reb Shimon and had a yeshuah. I personally know a 10 year old boy, Shimon, who was born to his parents after 10 years of childlessness. People DO see yeshuos, but they dance like hooligans. They are in the ohel and crying.
I like the way this guy “knows” that “Truly ehrlichia yidden don’t go” and that “they don’t feel the kedusha at all”. What does this guy know about erliche yidden and about kedusha if he talks like this? Sad.
Precisely Avi, YOU SHOULD go to Meron to acquire yiras Shamayim, ahavas tzaddikim, ahavas yisrael, ahavas Hashem, kedushas eretz yisrael, kedushas mekomos hakedoshim and dip yourself among holy thousands of yiddishe erliche yiden who sprout their kedusha to all. Avi, YOU MUST go to Meron, absorb it all and put it into a thermos to keep warm for the entire year. After all, yiddishe neshamos have spiritual cravings and if they go there, they know what they’re doing.
so where in that is listening to music on lag boamer?
i wont discuss whether to go or not to go
but if ones goes which police do you expect to protect you?
the terrorists of meah shearim
why dont you open up your farshtupped mind and realize that it most probably costs the israeli govmnt millions of dollars to accomodate the frum oilam
and instead of having hakaros hatoiv
the basic principle of why we are called yehudim
you curse them out
great chinuch that you got in satmar!!!
Yeah, I agree I got a great chinuch in Satmar. Because in your zionist-I-don’t-know-which institution they taught you, that, yeah – get this, a police agency whose existence is oiver b’shalosh shvuous and who’s men/women are oiver on literally the entire torah, “protect” the yidden. Really now. That is “torah!” thats what Torah teaches us! Hypocrite.
curious does your satmer rebbe approve of your extracurricular activities on the internet?
what’s your view on the second beis hamikdosh that herod renovated?
“One who has not seen Herod’s building has never seen a beautiful building in his life.”
“And I anyway wouldn’t want the treif tzioni police to protect me.”
What about if you’re robbed, assaulted. or worse, R”L? Would you still not want the “treif tzioni police” to protect you?
No. I wouldn’t.
I would never put myself in position where I would be subject to their protection.
That’s why I don’t go to Eretz Yisrael. Until Moshiach comes.
“great chinuch that you got in satmar!!!”
Have u ever read the Vayoel Moshe sefer before, or u just started attacking because this is what your Rabbi told you its nice to do. When u have an extra minute just open the sefer and look it through u will see that The Satmar Rabbi wasn’t a mashiganer from gaas, he was a holy Yid full with Sayta dishmaya. HE knew whats rigth and whats wrong!!
If not him there wouldn’t be any frum jew in America today!!
“If not him there wouldn’t be any frum jew in America today!!” are you high?
“The Satmar Rabbi wasn’t a mashiganer from gaas, he was a holy Yid full with Sayta dishmaya. HE knew whats rigth and whats wrong!!
If not him there wouldn’t be any frum jew in America today!!”
So are you saying that misnagdim aren’t religious? also are you saying all chassidus that isnt hungarian or satmer is not religious?
You wouldn’t speak this way if you were ever there. We were zoche, and I wouldn’t trade the experience for the world. Of course, not every one is zoche to appreciate the light…
If only the Boyaner Tzaddik shlit”a (the one lighting the hadlakah) with his holy hadras panim would suddenly transform into Mashiach! Wouldn’t that be exciting? I believe the entire world would dance along with all the people in Meron.
This story appears in the same Sefer שו”ת מהריל לא אבוש – טל ירושלים
Women dancing for Rashbi’s Simcha
Originally on Lag Baomer, they had dancing for both men & women (separately)
Until a למדן came along and made the women stop dancing. They were upset
with him for doing so.
This למדן fell asleep and Rashbi came to him in a dream and told him “because you
disturbed my Simcha by holding back the women from dancing therefore at your
Simcha the same will happen to you.”
Shortly afterward, he married off his son who died at his own wedding.
Rashbi was upset when they stopped women from dancing.
IT’S ABOUT TIME TO MAKE R. SHIMON HAPPY AGAIN AND HAVE WOMEN DANCING ON HIS KEVER
So what do you really want? A mixing of the genders? There is only limited space. There is no room for both.
I don’t know about Uman.
so is rashbi turned in to some sort of demigod in that story? because thats how it comes off. do people fully analyze these stories before they make up the stories?
One who has emunas tzadikim knows that these stories are not made up. Rashbi was not ch”v a demigod but גדולים צדיקים במיתתן יותר מבחייהם
When he lived he was mashpia on klal Yisrael and blessed Yidden with kol minei brochos and yeshuos tovos and so does he do today as has been proven.
It would be worthwhile for you to boost your emunas tzaddikim. There are lots of stories you can read or listen to on this inyan.
did you know that artscroll censors their books about historical Rabbis
to #1. R Elyashiv would rather you ‘Waste” time in meron than brousing Matzav.
would Rav Elyashiv approve of music on lag baomer?
all i can say is that you are a bunch of babies fighting and you both have a different opinion
do you oppose open orthodox?
Moishe and Avi, you should learn to be happy with other Jews whether you agree with their shita or not.
Moishe, you should have started like this: I’m so happy for all who merited travelling to the tzion of the Tzaddik Rabi Shimon bar Yochai zy”a. I would love to have joined them in Meron but my RY instructed us to stay home and learn. Then ended with a bracha: May you all come home with yeshuos and refuos and whatever you asked for, including the coming of Moshiach. Such a post would give you some respect.
Avi, don’t be so bitter. Drink a lechayim and join the yidden in Meron ASAP. Some ruchniyus and kadusha would do very good for you.
I am saddened for those who chose to ignore דעת תורה. Those same people had they of had a difficult עגונה שאלה etc.
They would have had a full trust in Rav Elyashiv Zt”l and followed his Psak.
When it comes to Lag Baomer they choose to ignore his Psak and coming up
with all kinds of חשבונות why to ignore דעת תורה.
I am saddened for all those ignorant Yidden who think this is what the Ribono Shel Olam had in mind with עבדו את ה’ בשמחה
Ignorant Yidden are those who sadly think there’s only 1 Poisek Hador and 1 Daas Torah. For your information there are many Poiskei Hador and Daas Torah. Rav Elyashiv zt”l was not the only one. Rav Wosner zt”l was also considered the Poisek Hador and so was the Tchebiner Rov zt”l who were accepted worldwide. And many more. Everyone MUST FOLLOW THEIR POISEK.
Some erroneously think the Litvishe mesorah is the only chain directly to Matan Torah. I have news for you. Chassidim have Poiskei Hador equal to Litvishe. And by the way, with the entire Litvishe mesorah the majority are descendant of chassidim, including Rav Chaim Kanievsky shlit”a, Rav Dov Landau shlit”a Rosh Yeshiva of Slabodka, Rav Moshe Feinstein zt”l, Rav Chaskel Levenstein zt”l, Rav Shloime Brevda, Rav Shmuel Auerbach zt”l, etc. etc. etc.
And YES, this is what the RBSH”O had in mind with ivdu es Hashem besimcha. You seem a bit too bitter and can use some simcha in Meron.
It is interesting that the only Poskim opposing Rav Elyashiv that you found
was the Tchebiner Rav & Rav S. Wosner zt”l.
Rav Wosner lived in E.Y. for about 70 years and never went to Meron on
Lag Baomer. He also forbade his Yeshiva to go on L.B.
In Shu”t Shevet Halevi he wrote (7:136) based on the Tosefta (Shabbos 7:1) that dancing or clapping hands in front of a fire might be a
מסרך עבודה זרה and looks like a חינגא של גויים
There is a whole Siman in Shulchan Aruch (Y.D.368) Re קלות ראש בבית הקברות
Dancing all night to Jewish rock music like zombies in a Discotech would
probably be considered קלות ראש
As far as I know, the Tchebiner Rav didn’t voice an opinion on this matter.
All the Talmidei Chachamim descendants of Chassidism you mentioned, not a single one of them went or go to Meron on L.B. They all have forsaken their non-existent Chasidisher Mesora.
The Minchas Elozor zt”l (Chasid) writes this Minhag is only a Minhag Eretz Yisroel. In Chutz Laaretz it’s מיחזי כיוהרא.The biggest expert on Minhagei E.Y. R.Y.M. Tikuchinsky zt”l writes in Luach E.Y. “This Minhag is a Sephardic Minhag.
R. Anonymous can you please enlighten the ignorant 1) who the other Poisek Hador is who argues on Rav Elyashiv zt”l.? 2) Which Mesorah?
BTW. I am not a Farbissener Litvak but a Chasam Sofer Einikel who follows his Mesorah re Lag Baomer (Shu”t Chasam Sofer Y.D. 233)
GOING TO MERON ON LAG BA’OMER IS AN ANCIENT CUSTOM NOT TO BE BELITTLED. HOW SAD THAT YOU THINK THAT GOING TO MERON IS SIMPLY A “TREND”… THOSE WHO SEEK THE KEDUSHA, SEE THE KEDUSHA, AND THEY COME HOME WITH INSPIRATION THAT LASTS THEM A LIFETIME. THERE ARE THOSE WHO SEEK FUN WHEREVER THEY GO, AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY FIND. MAY ALL OF US BECOME TOLERANT OF EACH OTHER’S PRACTICES AND OPINIONS, EVEN WHEN WE DON’T AGREE. LAG BAOMER IS ALL ABOUT LOVING THY FELLOW MAN. MAYBE WHEN WE TRULY ACCEPT EACH OTHER, MOSHIACH WILL COME AND GET US OUT OF THIS MISERABLE GALUS.
christians also feel their religion is right and muslims etc…. feeling good does not equal anything!
if an ancient jew worshiped paganism and felt spiritual would you advocate?
“AN ANCIENT CUSTOM”
a custom the arizal started 600 years ago doesn’t equal ancient!
“THOSE WHO SEEK THE KEDUSHA, SEE THE KEDUSHA, AND THEY COME HOME WITH INSPIRATION THAT LASTS THEM A LIFETIME. ”
would you say the same about open-orthodox?
the satmar rebbe ztl was a daas yochid
there are enough rebbes that didnt hold like him
No dearest, the Satmar rebbe was NOT daas yachid on the issue of zionism. ALL gedolim held the State of Israel, their existence and their action were ASSUR. The only place where the Satmar rebbe differed from the rest was regarding the bechiros. The Satmar rebbe held it was assur to join the knesset because it makes you a shutaf in the kefirah. (and, like Mordechai ben David said… The Satmar Rebbe Was Right. Look what these “chareidi” knesset members are doing today… helping yiddishkeit, huh? All they accomplished was draft a law that will increase the number of chareidi draftees every year… WOW.)
way to ignore the massive funding of Torah! the mosdos that have more funding probably than all the yeshivas in the world combined!
There is only one Beis Hamikdosh and meron is not it!
Klal Yisrael knows that, which is why no karbonos were brought in Meron. The reason people go there is to get uplifted and bring back yeshuos and refuos with Rabbi Shimon’s interceding in Shamayim on their behalf. How bad can that be?
it’s a sefardi custom! yet how many ashkenazim are there?
uplifted? jews used to visit by kevorim to remind of death. how does dancing by a grave do anything? does the grave magically supply marijuana?
To all who thinks that Meron is the only place for yashios.
I know of a Satmara childless chussid who went to The Satmara Rebbes tzion in KJ on Lag Boimer and said: “I know you don’t want me to go to Meron so I came to you for a yeshia”. A year later his SHIMON YOELY was born!!
I am sure R’ Shimon didn’t want all these hypocrites dancing by his kever. He rather wants u to stay in America and learn his sefer, light a candle, or do something lali nishmas.
It is really disturbing to read the back and forth, that supposedly frum yieden are degrading others in a public forum!
There are many ways in Avodas H-shem and each group has their unique way, based on their traditions going back to Har Sinai. Someone once asked Horav Amnon Yitchack Shlit’a the following: “Suppose you convince me to become religious, which way should I choose?” Litvish, Chasidish, Sefardi etc???
He answered in his unique clever way: “In the army, there are many departments, including catering staff, soldiers in the city, some on the frontline etc, but they all have ONE GOAL – to protect the country, so too each yied must find his or her way to lead a life as a religious Jew in the best possible way! Some may prefer to be chasidish, others may be Litvish or sefardi, but providing the goal is correct that is what matters!! If we bear that in mind we will all appreciate each other and not C’HV degrade other sectors of our wonderful religion and bring ACHDUS AND SHOLOYM to help us meet MOSHIACH SOON!!!
Nobody is degrading anyone. It’s a civil debate.
tzvei yidden, drei dyos.
Thank you. Excellent point.