Such a vague and poorly worded letter.
Is the letter perhaps refering to a school that gave out (gasp) orange juice… without filtering it to remove bug shells?
Without a point of reference to look at, what are you expecting, that each school and camp is going to inspect the ingredient list of each product to see if there is something they hold is nonkosher?
By writing this vaguely, you are effectively misdirecting away from whatever product and vendor was the problem, and refocusing on “the general concept of checking each item”
Sounds noble, but on closer inspection, is it well advised?
The letter is very clear that NON KOSHER products were served. The letter is also clearly worded. Thank you to the KCL for warning us about this. Unfortunately there will always be people like you that belong to Amalek that will always be meorer sefekos.
actually the letter by bringing up kosher lemehadrin makes unclear if the food was emesdika treifus or just treif for some campers standards. if they would have left that part off their would be no confusion.
1) The frum manager of a well known, large kosher grocery store in a large “frum” city, told us that there is not a single day which goes by when they do not have to return an item or items either because they were not kosher, or perhaps not up to the standards of the store or the neighborhood, or simply not what they ordered.
2) A former Rav HaMachshir for an international hashgachah has reported on numerous occasions that the mashgichim of the establishments under his watch reported quite often the delivery of non-kosher items. Issues of wine and other beverages, issues of meat and fish, and issues of cholov Yisroel were all reported, and other times missed even my the mashgichim and noticed only during regular inspections.
This issue is not one of “unfiltered” orange juice.
Buyers, camp directors, restaurant owners and managers, and mashgichim must always check the items bought and received. Even items which “always have a hashgachah” and even suppliers who know we only order and accept kosher, but be checked and double checked.
Worthless letter like the commenter number 1. Was it real treife? Or just not up to KCL standards? Aka heimishe hechsher. Additionally which distributor was it? So we can know who to watch? All of sudden being so makpid on lashon hara when neshamos of klal Yisroel is at stake not too wise
I think you may have missed the point here. Whichever distributor it was, and whichever camp it was, I am quite certain, having worked in kashrus for close to twenty years, that the immediate issue was dealt with. What the letter is meant to accomplish is to make ALL consumers aware, regardless if they think the KCL is a “mehadrin” hechshar or a weak one, regardless the standard of their own local Rabbanus, Rav, or home, it is important to check all the products we purchase. Hechsheirim change; sometimes from one we do eat to one we don’t. Hechsheirim are removed; sometimes due to kashrus concerns, sometimes simply due to a change in formula which may effect the standard if not the kashrus (e.g. bishul Yisroel, pas Yisroel, cholov Yisroel, etc.). Some items are mislabeled. Some items are clearly (on the ingredient panel) dairy although the symbol says parve. Sometimes the opposite is true. Both need to be checked out.
Another, related, point of the letter is that “heimisheh” or “frum” camps and groceries who buy only from “heimisheh” or “frum” suppliers or from suppliers with whom they have a “no-substitute” clause in their order/shipping agreement, need, nonetheless, a mashgiach checking in and approving all the deliveries.
No! They had every right to trust frum erliche vendors and not assume something is treif. Mistakes can happen even if your rebbitzen goes shopping it doesn’t passul her, and it doesn’t passul these vendors/camps either. Not every PSA is meant to throw dirt.
The vendors need to take more responsibility. They make a huge profit. They all trump their names to say “We’ve been trusted for X amount of years”. It’s time they accept the responsibility. They should be checking their products before sending it to kosher consumers!! Let them feel the burn and guilt, and perhaps they’ll get their act together!!
While you are certainly correct – 100% – it is of much interest to note that the Divrei Yoel (Rav Yoel Teitelbaum, ADMo”R of Satmar ztzvk”l) in a teshuvah writes that ultimately it is the responsibility of the consumer to be certain the products he/she buys/eats meet the standards he/she has for him/herself. He says this even if the hashgachah is a reliable one, even one considered “mehadrin”, and one whose administrators and mashgichim ore yirei Shomayim and learned individuals. The consumer should not assume that therefore the product is cholov Yisroel, yoshon, etc.
Such a vague and poorly worded letter.
Is the letter perhaps refering to a school that gave out (gasp) orange juice… without filtering it to remove bug shells?
Without a point of reference to look at, what are you expecting, that each school and camp is going to inspect the ingredient list of each product to see if there is something they hold is nonkosher?
By writing this vaguely, you are effectively misdirecting away from whatever product and vendor was the problem, and refocusing on “the general concept of checking each item”
Sounds noble, but on closer inspection, is it well advised?
The letter is very clear that NON KOSHER products were served. The letter is also clearly worded. Thank you to the KCL for warning us about this. Unfortunately there will always be people like you that belong to Amalek that will always be meorer sefekos.
actually the letter by bringing up kosher lemehadrin makes unclear if the food was emesdika treifus or just treif for some campers standards. if they would have left that part off their would be no confusion.
You mean, until now these places had no one checking to make sure that deliveries were kosher?
1) The frum manager of a well known, large kosher grocery store in a large “frum” city, told us that there is not a single day which goes by when they do not have to return an item or items either because they were not kosher, or perhaps not up to the standards of the store or the neighborhood, or simply not what they ordered.
2) A former Rav HaMachshir for an international hashgachah has reported on numerous occasions that the mashgichim of the establishments under his watch reported quite often the delivery of non-kosher items. Issues of wine and other beverages, issues of meat and fish, and issues of cholov Yisroel were all reported, and other times missed even my the mashgichim and noticed only during regular inspections.
This issue is not one of “unfiltered” orange juice.
Buyers, camp directors, restaurant owners and managers, and mashgichim must always check the items bought and received. Even items which “always have a hashgachah” and even suppliers who know we only order and accept kosher, but be checked and double checked.
Worthless letter like the commenter number 1. Was it real treife? Or just not up to KCL standards? Aka heimishe hechsher. Additionally which distributor was it? So we can know who to watch? All of sudden being so makpid on lashon hara when neshamos of klal Yisroel is at stake not too wise
I think you may have missed the point here. Whichever distributor it was, and whichever camp it was, I am quite certain, having worked in kashrus for close to twenty years, that the immediate issue was dealt with. What the letter is meant to accomplish is to make ALL consumers aware, regardless if they think the KCL is a “mehadrin” hechshar or a weak one, regardless the standard of their own local Rabbanus, Rav, or home, it is important to check all the products we purchase. Hechsheirim change; sometimes from one we do eat to one we don’t. Hechsheirim are removed; sometimes due to kashrus concerns, sometimes simply due to a change in formula which may effect the standard if not the kashrus (e.g. bishul Yisroel, pas Yisroel, cholov Yisroel, etc.). Some items are mislabeled. Some items are clearly (on the ingredient panel) dairy although the symbol says parve. Sometimes the opposite is true. Both need to be checked out.
Another, related, point of the letter is that “heimisheh” or “frum” camps and groceries who buy only from “heimisheh” or “frum” suppliers or from suppliers with whom they have a “no-substitute” clause in their order/shipping agreement, need, nonetheless, a mashgiach checking in and approving all the deliveries.
Which products? which camp?
We have a right to know!!!
No! They had every right to trust frum erliche vendors and not assume something is treif. Mistakes can happen even if your rebbitzen goes shopping it doesn’t passul her, and it doesn’t passul these vendors/camps either. Not every PSA is meant to throw dirt.
Perhaps now I can understand how I got non kosher for pesach food items at a pesach distribution this past year…
The vendors need to take more responsibility. They make a huge profit. They all trump their names to say “We’ve been trusted for X amount of years”. It’s time they accept the responsibility. They should be checking their products before sending it to kosher consumers!! Let them feel the burn and guilt, and perhaps they’ll get their act together!!
While you are certainly correct – 100% – it is of much interest to note that the Divrei Yoel (Rav Yoel Teitelbaum, ADMo”R of Satmar ztzvk”l) in a teshuvah writes that ultimately it is the responsibility of the consumer to be certain the products he/she buys/eats meet the standards he/she has for him/herself. He says this even if the hashgachah is a reliable one, even one considered “mehadrin”, and one whose administrators and mashgichim ore yirei Shomayim and learned individuals. The consumer should not assume that therefore the product is cholov Yisroel, yoshon, etc.
These comments are a great example of “kosher entertainment”!!
Non filtered smartphones are the biggest crisis facing us, even greater than the shidduch crisis.