This Dimyon from a doctor seeing a stranger getting a heart attack to a rabbi unplugging the music at a Chassuna where he is just a guest is most disturbing.
What if this guest did not like the Hechsher of the caterer, would he be entitled to walk into the kitchen and throw all the chicken into the dumpster?
Did he pay for the food?
Was he invited as Rav Hamachshir?
Would he dare to do this at the Mir Dinner with thousands of guests attending?
In other words, you disagree that treife food and music is akin to a heart attack. You are exactly who the Rosh Yeshiva was talking about. Thank you for being a case in point.
A better analogy would be someone grabbing a cigarette out of someone else’s mouth.
There are plenty of Talmedey Chachomim and Roshey Yeshiva who are known to leave Chasunas if they don’t approve of the music. I’ve never heard of any of them unplugging the music.
I was by a chasuna where the choson and kallah were very far from the upbringing they had (but still frum). The music was borderline disco music when Rav Yeruchem Olshin Shlita came. He acted as if he didn’t notice the music and started to dance with the Choson. Within a few minutes the music went back to normal Yeshivish.
I was talking to hotheads like you who have an attitude of my way or the highway, and who will throw out other peoples chicken when their private chumros is not followed.
Yes. R’ Gershon Ribner did discuss that facet of your tendencies pretty clearly. You don’t even want your Rav telling you what to do, and certainly not any other adam gadol. Looking at your comments and then listening to this recording again, it’s incredible how on target he is in describing you. He sounds like he understands you better than you understand yourself.
The Rosh Yeshiva’s point is that the talmidei chachamim are charged with protecting the life of the Torah. Suppose that doctor would have to tear open the patient’s shirt to save him from the heart attack. It would be unthinkable to charge him for the shirt or to say he didn’t pay for the shirt so he has no right to damage it.
Judaism is not a control freak religion. That rav had no business pulling plugs , he should’ve just walked out instead of embarrassing others. EARN RESPECT , NOT ORDER IT.
It is extremely unlikely that unplugging the music will improve the situation afterwards.
The only time I can see it as being warranted is if you have some controversial singer or band who are always looking to push the envelope and be Poretz Geder. Being that those types are semi looking for a fight and looking to show to be poretz geder unplugging the music may be the proper response. But even then if someone is not sufficiently respected as a Talmid Chochim that his opinion is valued anywhere out of his immediate circle then walking out in protest would be a far more effective machha than unplugging the music. And unlike unplugging the music there is little chance of backfiring. The Gemorah doesn’t say K’Shem S’Mitzvah Lomor Dovor Hanishma Kach Mitzvah Shlo lomor dovor hainoy nishma for nothing
ז”ל הגר”א באבן שלמה על הערב רב שבכל דור ודור – הם עשירים עליזי הגאות וכו’ הם המזלזלין תלמידי חכמים וכל עזי הפנים ורשעים שבדור הם מגלגול נשמתן של ערב רב וכו.
This Dimyon from a doctor seeing a stranger getting a heart attack to a rabbi unplugging the music at a Chassuna where he is just a guest is most disturbing.
What if this guest did not like the Hechsher of the caterer, would he be entitled to walk into the kitchen and throw all the chicken into the dumpster?
Did he pay for the food?
Was he invited as Rav Hamachshir?
Would he dare to do this at the Mir Dinner with thousands of guests attending?
In other words, you disagree that treife food and music is akin to a heart attack. You are exactly who the Rosh Yeshiva was talking about. Thank you for being a case in point.
A better analogy would be someone grabbing a cigarette out of someone else’s mouth.
There are plenty of Talmedey Chachomim and Roshey Yeshiva who are known to leave Chasunas if they don’t approve of the music. I’ve never heard of any of them unplugging the music.
I was by a chasuna where the choson and kallah were very far from the upbringing they had (but still frum). The music was borderline disco music when Rav Yeruchem Olshin Shlita came. He acted as if he didn’t notice the music and started to dance with the Choson. Within a few minutes the music went back to normal Yeshivish.
I was talking to hotheads like you who have an attitude of my way or the highway, and who will throw out other peoples chicken when their private chumros is not followed.
Yes. R’ Gershon Ribner did discuss that facet of your tendencies pretty clearly. You don’t even want your Rav telling you what to do, and certainly not any other adam gadol. Looking at your comments and then listening to this recording again, it’s incredible how on target he is in describing you. He sounds like he understands you better than you understand yourself.
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You are clearly not sharp
Listen again, on slower pace and try to follow the logic before embarrassing yourself
The Rosh Yeshiva’s point is that the talmidei chachamim are charged with protecting the life of the Torah. Suppose that doctor would have to tear open the patient’s shirt to save him from the heart attack. It would be unthinkable to charge him for the shirt or to say he didn’t pay for the shirt so he has no right to damage it.
No, he had no right to plug out the mike by someone else’s Simcha. If the music is not according to his taste let him go home.
Judaism is not a control freak religion. That rav had no business pulling plugs , he should’ve just walked out instead of embarrassing others. EARN RESPECT , NOT ORDER IT.
If insulting an other “Yid” is your way to go, I wish you much Hatzlocho in your future endeavours.
You will need it.
K’Shem S’Mitzvah Lomor Dovor Hanishma Kach Mitzvah Shlo lomor dovor hainoy nishma.
It is extremely unlikely that unplugging the music will improve the situation afterwards.
The only time I can see it as being warranted is if you have some controversial singer or band who are always looking to push the envelope and be Poretz Geder. Being that those types are semi looking for a fight and looking to show to be poretz geder unplugging the music may be the proper response. But even then if someone is not sufficiently respected as a Talmid Chochim that his opinion is valued anywhere out of his immediate circle then walking out in protest would be a far more effective machha than unplugging the music. And unlike unplugging the music there is little chance of backfiring. The Gemorah doesn’t say K’Shem S’Mitzvah Lomor Dovor Hanishma Kach Mitzvah Shlo lomor dovor hainoy nishma for nothing
ז”ל הגר”א באבן שלמה על הערב רב שבכל דור ודור – הם עשירים עליזי הגאות וכו’ הם המזלזלין תלמידי חכמים וכל עזי הפנים ורשעים שבדור הם מגלגול נשמתן של ערב רב וכו.