Rav Don Segal, the revered mashgiach, in his Shabbos Hagadol drasha, referred to the fear that prevailed in the city of Tel Aviv in the hours after the terrorist attack on Dizengoff Street, and said that the government wants to harm Yiddishkeit by allowing chometz into hospitals and Pesach, and thus the city of Tel Aviv was punished by not being able to go out into the street.
During the Shabbos Hagadol drasha at his beis midrash, Rav Segal spoke about the difficult situation in Eretz Yisroel.
“They want to allow chometz into hospitals during Pesach,” he said, “and therefore Hakadosh Boruch Hu punished them by not allowing them to leave their homes. The residents of Tel Aviv were forced to lock themselves in their houses for hours without leaving.”
He added, “We need to scrutinize our actions. If the public is properly strengthened in the observance of Pesach, Hashem will protect us and save us from all the threats facing us.”
{Matzav.com Israel}
So what did the people of bnei brak do last week to deserve their attack?
reb yitzchak zilbershtien said that that specific block in bnei barak has chillul shabbos
Thank You!
Someone is brave enough to point his out!
There’s Chillul Shabbos somewhere on this street, those people needed to get a message, and two frum yidden (who are NOT mechalelei Shabbos and had nothing to do with it) had to die as a result.
Anonymous: Will you be paying a shiva visit to their yesomim to explain this to them or do you just post on Matzav?
There is no one who doesnt have shmetz cheitand in times of sakkanah that can be mekatreg, but aderabeh, that in itself is a kaparah not just on them but on the rabim.
Yes, I would have no problem telling that to the family, its a chizuk after a tradgedy while in your world its just senseless.
Another note. Chas Vesholom to cast aspersions on these kedoshim HY”D, and I am not suggesting that in the least as the above explanation surely suffices. Yet at the same time you cannot HONESTLY say that just because a person is “Frum” that you can KNOW they are not a mechaelel shabbos.
You need to know everything?? Paskudiak woos du bist! They did something else. There now you know.
Hundreds of thousands came out for the levaya of reb Chaim ztl. But 18 years ago he asked everyone to come out to protest the first immoral toeivah parade in Yerushalayim the majority refused to listen. At that time the police chief said had there been a hundred thousand protesters they would not of allowed the parade as a security risk. Now this evil gets bigger every year. Maybe that’s why Bnei brak was hit.
Amazing — the Jews who died in Tel Aviv had to die, human sacrifices that had to be made, in order to send a message to the secular public!
Given that they don’t read Matzav, nor did they attend Rav Segal’s derosha, how could we share this insight with our secular brethren, so that they will receive this message and then change their ways?
Surely, we don’t want their deaths to have gone in vain, with the intended recipients of the message from HASHEM never having received it.
Low IQ question.
Its not a “message” for them to learn. Its a midah kneged midah that effects a tikkun in the briah. What we can do is take the mssage, and then th tikkun will be even greater. Instead you come up with half baked questions….
Low IQ Dovid here.
If the above derosha is saying what you say it’s saying, show me where.
your right it was wrong of me to use a derogatory remark, Im sorry.
The point is, you have to understand how these things work… famous mashal of novice pointing to 1 switch among hundreds in an airplane cockpit and asking whats that…
that specific blok in bnie brak has chillul shabbos
I think it’s because Beni Barak is Children of Barak, and that is Gemotria Chometz. This is a much better Pshat.
Given that they don’t read Matzav, nor did they attend Rav Segal’s derosha, how could we share this insight with our secular brethren, so that they will receive this message and thereby change their ways?
Surely, we wouldn’t want the deaths of those three Jews to have gone in vain, with the intended recipients never having received this message to them from HASHEM?
That is not connected to this psak from Reb Don Shlita.
It is a different question entirely.
But this Rusha , calling himself ‘Joe’ asks it here,
hakhey es shinav
Where’s what is said in private context is meant to be broadcast
Smartphones are assur, and if a parent has one, the children should be mivaseh him. I learnt that from the anti smartphone cards they were giving out to students.
There is no end to the zionist shmad
Maybe someone could explain:
Perhaps there’s some basis to say that frum people are to be killed by HASHEM so that other frum people (who believe everything comes from HASHEM) will change their ways. (Hard for me to accept, but let’s assume it’s a valid perspective, according to some.)
But that people would be killed by HASHEM in order to send a message to people who will never receive that message nor act upon it is kinda hard to understand.
One, because they don’t believe everything comes from HASHEM — so why would they think it’s a message from HASHEM?
And two, because they don’t attend Shabbos haGodol droshos.
They will therefore never hear that Rabbis have solved the profound mystery of why seeming innocent people die.
Perhaps someone here could explain.
I would love to explain it because your entire view of how this works is, sadly, very off. Not necessarily your fault, but you are responsible to go to a competent Torah personality who can help you.
To write it out here is unfortunately too difficult a task for me . (nor do I qualify as a competent torah personality).
Let me just e clear about this. Hashem doesn’t kill ANYONE to send another person a message, that is a completely foreign idea. and quite an absurdity.. That doesnt mean that there is no INHERENT message which is CENTRAL to the reason such a Killing was allowed to occur.
Thank you for your definitive statement about HASHEM’s ways and Judaism’s beliefs.
Unfortunately, you have not referenced any classical discussions on the topic (Ramban on Iyov, Ramban Sha’ar haGemul, Moreh Nevuchim, etc) that might help us better understand the derosha quoted above.
As I wrote, it said that the Tel Aviv message was to secular Israelis and government officials.
But these people do not attend Shabbis haGodol deroshos.
They therefore would never make the connection between the Tel Aviv massacre and the intended lesson (be careful about chametz).
sources? look at the gemarah about the malach hamaves asking for “miriam” and he got the wrong one. Also look at the sugya regarding ben sorer umoreh and eid zomem, there you will find these ideas in the meforshim, yet as i said, I am not a torah authority so I cannot be of that much help.
The direct answer to your question is that messages are everywhere one just has to be listening. While its a direct answer its not an obvious one, so think about that.
For a source about that i believe you will find it in the maharsha on the gemara about the bas kol which emanates every day from “har chorev”.
Again i am aware of these ideas because they were of interest to me so i looked into them but sadly I am not from those whos torah toil is their occupation, so I cannot give you direct quotes and references, I can only do the best i can from memory.
Please speak to someone competent in these areas and you will find a lot of clarity!
I appreciate your efforts and the approaches you quote are certainly interesting, but I don’t see how they add to our understanding of THIS derosha, for the reasons I stated.
R Avigder Miller ztl said : all the Bomings , terror attacks, are becouse of not following theTorah, the open Chilul Shabos, nevielos, and gays in EY. It’s that simple!
For those that ask why Frum people are also killed at the same time , it’s becouse the well known reason : kivan shYesh reshus Lmashchis…. start Listening to the great old sage R Avigder to get your Head open !!
You mean because he gives an answer, especially a very simple one to a question that has troubled Ramban, Rambam, and other Rishonim, and any of them COULD have said that answer themselves, but they did not, it still follows that we are to believe that Rabbi Miller has succeeded where the greatest minds before him have not?
I understand why a talmid, especially one who has never learned Ramban’s peirush on Iyov, nor his Sha’ar haGemul, nor the Moreh Nevuchim, etc would go for Rabbi Miller’s very simple approach, but why should the rest of us?
To R’ Avigders talmud :
Thanx for your list. However , you omitted cheshbon hanefesh and teshuva of the frum. Clean yourselves first and then give muuser
The collective punishment for alleged Chillul Shabbos is consistent with the collective punishment of the klal Yisroel army in sefer Yehoshua, when Achan misappropriated the booty of Yericho.
Thank you to one and all for your definitive statements about HASHEM’s ways and Judaism’s beliefs.
But how might these definitive statements help us better understand the derosha quoted above.
As I wrote, it said that the Tel Aviv message was for secular Israelis and government officials.
But these people do not attend Shabbis haGodol deroshos.
They therefore would never make the connection between the Tel Aviv massacre and the intended lesson (be careful about chametz).
see above response to this question on 4/12 aprox 8:15
Thank You.
However, I don’t see how that response adds to our understanding of THIS derosha, for the reasons I stated.