The Vizhnitzer Rebbe of Monsey: Why Are Bochurim Going to Learn in Eretz Yisroel?

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vizhnitzer-rebbe-of-monseyThe Vizhnitz Rebbe of Monsey, Rav Mordechai Hager, is currently vacationing in the Catskills, where his Yeshiva Gedolah is located. During his stay in the Catskills, the Rebbe has visited the yeshiva bochurim several times and gave them mussar shmuessen and chizuk speeches.

Last week, according to a report by Etrog, during a visit to the bochurim, the Rebbe brought up the issue of bochurim going to learn in Eretz Yisroel. “I cannot understand why bochurim travel to Eretz Yisroel to learn. This is a new trend, but I don’t know if you can shteig more in Eretz Yisroel,” the Rebbe said.

Although the Rebbe did not forbid the bochurim from traveling to Eretz Yisroel to learn, his statement will unarguably have a great influence on the bochurim and few will travel to Eretz Yisroel for the upcoming zeman.

The Rebbe, according to etrog, is expected to return to Monsey this week. He will attend the wedding of his granddaughter, a daughter of his son-in-law, Rav Avraham Twerski of Rachmastrivka-Monsey, who is marrying a son of Rav Shmuel Teitelbaum of Tartikov, a son-in-law of the Dzhikover Rebbe.

The wedding will be held at the main Vizhnitz-Monsey bais medrash in the village of Kaser.

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  1. For learning per se, there is no reason to travel to Israel these days.You can learn just as good in america.
    We all know that guys want to live the israeli experience before they get married and they wont easily be able to do it again.

  2. What is so great about riots and burning trash cans and calling the police Nazis and Mengele? I want to stay far away from such people. What about the boys and girls who congregate in bars and the boys arrested for selling drugs? Parents send their children to Israel and mistakenly think they are in a pure atmosphere of learning.For many it is an opportunity to be wild without parental control. There are many masmidim but many batlonim who would be better off closer to home.

  3. When I learned in Mirrer Yeshiva, the late Rosh Yeshiva Rav Berenbaum Z”L would often say that he never saw a bachur come back from E”I a bigger lamdin. His point was that America is saturated with gedolim and talmidei chachomim and one can shteig here.

  4. leonard – maybe they didnt teach this to you in yeshiva but there are thousands of other places to learn in yeshiva besides the block and a half radius where they are burning garbage cans. Obviously in order for one to go abroad to learn they must have a sense of maturity and their parents should be know that they wont be batling in bars but the experience of learning in eretz yisroel is beyond valuable. I suggest you get over there and visit places outside of meah shearim and geulah.

  5. I think it depends on each bachor there is no general right or wrong here.I have many friends who did very bad in E”I and some friends that did very well.The rabbim should help the bochorim make the right decision if E”I will be a positive for them.

  6. #2 “Avira DeEretz Yisrael machkim
    Bava Batra 158b”
    You think you know the Chazal better then the Rebbe!?!
    First of all, I seem to remember that the meforshim, possibly a Maharsha somewhere, explain that the Avir of any Bais Medrash has the same koach as that of Eretz Yisroel.

    Second of all, I believe that it is the Kotzker who used to say that it is true that the Avir of Eretz Yisroel is Machkim- however the Yetzer Harah is also a lot smarter there too.

    You gotta learn a lot more to fight the Yetzer Horah in Eretz Yisroel!! Don’t you see that when people to not keep the Torah and Mitzvos, they are much worse in Eretz Yisroel than anywhere else!

    Is it really worth going to Eretz Yisroel for the possible spiritual gain, and risking losing the fierce battle with the “other side”?!?

    This is a shailo for a Gadol and every situation is different. It definitely cannot be decided on this forum!!

  7. Remember he is the Visnitzher Rebbe- a litvishe boy considering Brisk should go by what his rosh yeshiva says, not what a chassidishe rebbe said to his kehila.
    Perhaps there is more to the story what prompted him to say it. I wouldn’t make it a blanket statement that all boys should not go, just because a rebbe of a certain chassidus said it. Each should consult with his own rav.
    Many boys are successful there,but a boy who is on the way ‘down’, can do worse there, like comment #7.

  8. I marvel at the linguistic gymnastics of the writer. The rebbe is going to the wedding of the daughter of his son-in-law. You mean his daughter’s daughter? I have never heard of someone referring to his grandaughter as “the daughter of my son-in-law”.

  9. The Rebbe Shlita is smarter than all of you. I see what goes on with bochurim here in Yerushalayim far away from home. If you want to shteig in learning, stay close to home. If you want a break for a year or two, where better than Eretz Yisroel.

  10. 16, you don’t read the papers. What’s more to marvel at is why they don’t just say the wedding of ploni, future son in law of the son in law of Rav X.

  11. My apologies for the leitzanus this close to both Tisha B’Av and Rosh Hashana. Please either delete the previous comment, or add this one. Thanks.

  12. The Rebbe is so right. It has really gone out of control ,not to mention girls going to Seminary in E”Y costing $20,000 !!! it is ridiculous and completely unnecessary. Dont get me wrong learning and going to E”Y is amazing and the kedushah is real but it puts an huge financial strain on people who cant afford it.

  13. To # 2. you obviously are way smarter and holier than the Viznitzer Rebbe, thats why you are hanging around on the internet. The Gemorah that you very wisely mentioned was referring to a land that was not being occupied by heretics. A land that is holy in all aspects. But today RL we have tremendous Tumah in the holy land, in certain parts, it is arguabely even more tumahdig then most parts of the US. So the Rebbe in his wisdom understands the klal that the air makes one smart. But when kids go there ( and a large percentage do ) to fall into the trap of the yetzer hora and do the worst imaginable things, yes it is wiser to stay in the US under the watchful eyes of their parents.

  14. In response to Zalman, et al: Kol Kevuda Bas Melech Penima. If the news would say “daughter of his daughter, Mrs. Chaya Sara Plonis” or whatever, few people will know who is being referred to. Because the nashim in Mishpechos Gedolei Yisroel (especially among the chasidim) are tzenuos, and are mekayem the above pasuk, it is more informative to the general public to give the name of the far more well-known son in law.

  15. Poor parents! They get blamed for everything and yet….

    The boy goes away to yeshiva at 14 or so, where he spends almost all of his time under the influence of the other boys, with a little input from the Rebbeim, who are spread thin over so many bochurim. In summer he goes to learning camp – same parsha.

    Then the boy gets to go learn in Eretz Yisroel, where he lives unsupervised in an apartment with friends, with his parents only knowing what he’s doing when they see the credit card bill.

    So of course if the kid goes off the derech it’s the parents’ fault, despite the fact that they’ve hardly seen him since he was bar mitzvah. Believe it or not, people do change after the age of 13. It’s called growing up (or not growing up) and it’s different for everyone.

    At least if the young man is learning in the States there may be other adults in town or close by who know the parents. Otherwise – the kid might as well be on the far side of the moon as far as the parents’ having input.

    The yeshivas here are just as good. Keep them here until you’re sure they can handle themselves in the world. Don’t bend to the latest fad and throw them to the wolves the Yetzer Hara has watching on every corner in E”Y.

  16. Rav Yoel Sirke’s, also known as the ?”? , was named after his living mother, whose name was Sirke. So much for the totally baseless practice of not using female names in public.The same for the Maharsha, and many others

  17. A woman asked the chazon ish for a bracha that she merit to have a son like him. He asked, “Well, are you willing to dress like my m,other did?”


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