The New York Times today published a months-long investigation of Chassidic yeshivos, documenting what it says is widespread failures in secular subjects, poor training of English teachers, few hours devoted to nonreligious subjects, and the “use of severe corporal punishment, which creates an environment of fear that makes learning difficult.”
Read the full article HERE.
May all who support this message be together in gehinnom. Public menaces like this do not deserve our tefilos. Quite the opposite. May they all rot together.
I have been boycotting NYT for years. It’s time we arrange boycotts of their advertisers. Hit them in the pocketbook. It has been anti-Jewish for many decades. Let’s do our part to bring them to bankruptcy.
If all that this accomplishes us stopping corporal punishment in yeshiva…Dayeinu. I was slapped in the face by my chassidishe Rebbe for no reason 35 years ago and can’t forgive the monster. This was in a Litvishe elementary school. Secular education is important, but having a safe atmosphere in a school is a basic need.
so sorry to hear your traumatic experience nevertheless everyone agrees that the 99% of teachers in the chassidish mosdos today atleast what im aware of are good solid warm mechanchim, im sure in the public school system theres here there bad teachers too, so let that not be an excuse for this horrible one sided hit piece slandered by the nyt most probably fed to them by loosers who wouldnt succeed with the public school system like we all know there is plenty off of kids falling out of the public school system the numbers most probably greater then the yeshiva system והוא רחום יכפר עון
The main stream yeshivos do great in English. The real Chasidic Yeshivos “lachen zech os” to the point that they will lose funding and their students are ill prepared for life in the secular world. They are dragging every other Yeshiva down. Time to stop and teach 3-4 hours of english subjects or do home study and take the tests to show you have it anyway. Social studies and literature is not necessary but basic english , math and science and even business law is necessary. This is not tsarist Russia. Or dont take the govt money!
@yankel ostreicher:
1) this is about much more than just funding, this is about giving the government the ability to label parents of whatever school they chose to disapprove of as truants and jail parents while placing children under the care of government.
2) you really do not need 2-3 hours a day. The school I went to thought secular subjects for around an hour a day through eighth grade, and I am now the Vice President of my company.
Good for you.
What about the other 40 odd boys in your class.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE STUDENTS IN PUBLIC SYSTEM
DRUGS, PROMIS…….
Its not just government money.
If the school is deemed non-compliant, all the children will be considered truant, opening the possibility that the parents will be arrested.
Umm, as long as they know what the public school students know.
1) They know more.
2) They don’t have any of the problems that the public school students have. No violence, drugs, skipping school, gangs etc etc
1) If the Yeshivas, parent body, and alumni did not take any government funds and handouts, (food stamps, HUD, etc.), the government couldn’t touch the Yeshivas.
2) If you have dirt on your shirt and an anti-Semite calls you a “dirty Jew”, your shirt still isn’t clean.
V’Hamaiven Yovin.
TALKING OUT OF HATE no sense mixing bananas and ketchup
NEBACH
Please remove this post immediately. Agudah is working overtime to attack the Times for this ridiculous article, and by Matzav writing “chasidish”, as if to say that the regular frum chadarim don’t have those problems mentioned in the article, is in essence agreeing with the article.
Please contact the Agudah office immediately.
the NEW York Times should get its information from some of the articles in the jewish magazines describing the way yeshiva and chassidi schooled men and women are succeeding financially in every possible area. they should recognize that the majority, of course not all. but definitely the majority can read two languages in two different from two different directions. my experience, having worked in a public school system for about 40 years, is that many, many, far too many public schho students cant read english fluently when they hit high school . our kids learn volime to find out if the cup of wine is large enough for kiddush, to measure distance to know if they are within a tchum shabbos, astronomy to ascertain when it is rosh chodesh.
the times has no ideqa what it’s talking about. they are using misinformation for the sole purpose of ‘getting back’ at their families and communities. i wonder if these angry young men went off to get there GEDs and then to reeducate themselves.
Wow, so Matzav is heavily censoring all comments on this article. Wow, so professional.
What a stupid article!!
Taking negative information from disgruntled former students who left this way of life is senseless!
I’d like for the NYT to do a study on the results 10-20 years down the road comparing the yeshiva students to the public school students and how they perform at that point. The fact is that a large percentage of these “failed” students, go on to build huge companies which generate millions annually, while many if not most of the public school students go on to live lives of drugs and crime.
Shame on the NYT!!
Why do we expect that a leopard will change its spots ? How long do we need to get this treatment and still surprised
Dear Hands Off,
I was in a Chassidishe Yeshiva and the Rebbes did hit us on rare occasion. It allowed the Rebbi to maintain decorum allowing all the boys to remain “mainstream,” rather than having the one michutzif take over the class.
In the current situation, where the Rebbi has no control over the mechutzif, the Yeshiva is forced to expel him, which necessitates at risk Yeshivas where everyone becomes druggies. Had your Rebbi not hit you, who knows where you would have been now.
I do agree that Rebbis can get carried away at times. For this reason, it would be optimal for the Menahel to issue corporal punishment.
Dear Hands Off
I was in a mainstream though officially Chassidic yeshiva in the 90s. Corporal punishment was used and was just a normal tool in the Rabbeim chinuch toolbox. I have very fond memories of my years in elementary school and truly feel that the rabbeim were hitting when necessary for our own good. I am sure that kids may have sometimes been hit undeservedly but the overall atmosphere was positive and I think we would have understood a mistake and not held it against a rebbe for ever
A real hit piece, to the world every kippah wearer is a Chasid from Naftali Bennet to the Satmar Rebbe.
Yiddin, have extra kavana in Velamalshinim.
The New York Times today published a months-long investigation of Chassidic yeshivos, documenting what it says is widespread failures in secular subjects, poor training of English teachers
Does anyone believe they conducted an actual investigation? It make no difference who you are discussing when your primary source of information is people who left a community on bad terms you aren’t conducting an investigation or giving over accurate information.
NYT is self hating Jew. Note that all the writers are Jewish.
Vote Zeldin in Nov . 350,000+ votes should bring it to him.
Please, we need Achdus here not parochial side deals for money!
Dear Hands Off,
I was a well behaved student who was hit by my Rebbi for something I did not do. I bear no hard feelings to him and never did. I maintain that it is the PARENTS, who project an attitude of “how dares a Rebbi hit MY amazing child” that causes a child to feel that being slapped – even for no reason – warrants a response of “I can’t forgive the monster”(!?) 35 years later. (I am not speaking about a Rebbi or teacher who is OVERLY and regularly abusive.)