The Satmar Chassidus is planning a rally in the coming weeks in the tri-state area to denounce Israel and the recent court-imposed changes to the draft laws that exempt people whose lives are dedicated to Torah study from serving in the army.
The rally, sources say, is expected to feature the participation of both Satmar communities, the one in Williamsburg led by Rav Zalman Leib Teitelbaum and the one in Kiryas Yoel led by Rav Aharon Teitelbaum.
Those familiar with the event say that Satmar is making concerted efforts to get members of other Chassidishe groups as well as those in the Litvishe yeshiva community to participate.
{Matzav.com}
So matzav has already offered a daas Baal habayis that they are against the rally.
Being Israel is in midst of an existential threat they also believe any yeshiva bochur who can join the army should
If you need a Bracha you can contact matzav
where did “anonymous” get that matzav is against the rally
Maybe from the title
Nothing derogatory in the title. Title just states a fact.
This rally like other will accomplish nothing but shame Israel and make it more difficult for Jews in Israel.
Not something anti medina care about. Furthermore, the pro terrorists, arabs and the rest of the anti semites, will all be there in support of the rally. Any rally against any Jews is an excuse for the gentile anti semites to join forces. That’s why the Divrei Yoel assured joining the anti medina part of the israeli day parade. Nothing good will come from it. Not in America, nor in Eretz Yisroel.
Because we oppose the wicked secular government of the State of Israel ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT MEAN that we, Chas V’Shalom, in any way or form, support the wicked Hamas or any other wicked terrorists!! We oppose them both as they are both extremely, extremely terrible!!
Hamas is the result of the terrible Israeli government focus on the problem not the consequence…
Whether he’s a yeshiva bochur or not, chareidim have no business joining the shamad army. Period!
It’s a miracle that Matzav even reported it. The rallies in Israel against drafting chareidim were not even reported, as if the Jewish media in Israel are in consent with the secular court to shmad chareidim.
Reported daily.
Not in Israeli religious Jewish outlets.
Almost all the Jewish sites report regularly.
Not only Chareidim, but NO people, whether Jews or non-Jews, should join the Israel Army (with all its Toeiva and inappropriate mixing of men with women, etc.) or any other army in the world that is like it!!
Bitul Torah, anyone??
Read a little history my friend.
Davening is not bitul Torah? Looking for an esrog is not bitul Torah? Attending a wedding is not bitul Torah? Joining the army is not bitul Torah?
I think he meant the rally is bitul Torah.
It’s not more bitul Torah than what “Know..” mentioned.
Why now when the world will misinterpret and the Hamas supporters will feel is supportive of them???
Cant we just focus on avodas Elul and prepare for the biggest Yom Hadin in a while…?
So relieved and enlightened to know you know which Yom Din is bigger than which. Can you also tell the winning numbers in the upcoming lottery or power ball?
Cmon man..Make no mistake about it..
Everyone knows this is just to have a good time pat yourself on the back about how righteous one is and bash those with whom you disagree
Nobody leaves mechuzak
its actually an important time for those who want to make a clear distinction from being an israeli and being a jew, to do so. As this has become a blurred line.
Satmar also wants israelis to not be harmed, but they want to make certain that it is understood that Israeli does not equal Jewish
Satmar people don’t understand that already?
Cmon this is just an in your face we’re not you feel good rally
I would like to hear if anyone has ever felt spiritually enriched from one of these get togethers
Not true at all. There is absolutely no need to openly rally at a time like this. It only emboldens the open anti semites. Who then use such rallies as evidence that they are correct in calling for the destruction of the state of Israel. Nothing good can come from this. The pro terrorists will be at the rally. the NK will either be alongside the Satmar or alongside the terrorists.
Farkert, Elul is the perfect time to have the rally. It will make a kiddish Hashem.
They just had a similar-related demonstration the other day, Thursday Sept, 5th in Manhattan.
Whats the purpose for this? I hope the litvishe yeshivos don’t join. Better yet, I hope they can be dissuaded
The purpose is very simple. The evil Zionists are sensitive to world opinion of Jews. After all, the Zionists falsely claim that their “State” is Jewish. So, if all the papers report that hundreds of thousands of Jews protest Israel’s drafting of the bnei Torah, then that could actually help our brethren there – unlike the idolatry-fest of the secular Jews in DC post-10/7.
There’s nothing better to do in Elul ?
Doesn’t anyone want to learn?
Do you attend weddings in Elul?
They want to come out in support of Harris as they always are and this is how they feel is the best way to do it. For shame.
ביטולה זו היא קיומה this is to ensure the bochurim can stay in yeshiva and not go to the army. Interesting that when the gedolai hador came in summer zeman to America and they made a big asifa during second Seder in Lakewood with thousands of participants, that was Kavod hatorah ( rightfully so) and no complaint about bittul torah, or why now in middle of a war speak about how the government took away support of the yeshivos , how will our enemies look at it. But now that it’s satmar coming out against the same problem ( that as we speak big roshei yeshiva flew out of eretz Yisroel and will not be saying shiur to their bochurim in Elul) now it becomes a problem. Please explain how this is not just anti satmar talk
The asifa in Lakewood was NOT during second seder. It was right afterwards. The asifa in Lakewood was done in a way that had zero chance of giving any propaganda ammunition to those who want to kill. It was exclusively about Haczokas Hatorah without speeches about the “evil Zionists” I’m not confident Satmar will act the same
They are 100% correct. The zionists have declared war on yeshiva. We have ZERO care for the zionists, their army and their trefe ways. It should be a day where ALL yeshiva participate
The people who want to draft Yeshiva Bochurim think and feel the exact same way as you do. Only they were born on the other side so they apply their feelings differently
Possibly, but our jobs as human beings is to study our history and come to truthful conclusions. Yes, some are tenokos shenishba – and act quietly. Those who come out strongly against the Torah, Heaven should have mercy, have full responsibility to look into their roots, maamid har sinai, yetzios mitzrayim, our eternal Torah, and nissim that occured to us throughout the generations. You certainly can’t say that they have a blanket heter to “have their feelings” if they did nothing to validate them.
The secular establishment of Israel is using the current situation as an excuse to justify the destruction of the Torah that’s keeping us alive. Of course, I don’t support the NK who are banned from_Satmar, but I also understand the reality of the universe and how our secular brethren are trying to suppress our relationship with Hashem. Modern-Orthodox Jews might not agree with this premise, but I’ve never heard Ben_Gvir claim that there’s something wrong with Limud Ha-Torah. Likewise, there’s nothing wrong with the Chesed done by Open-minded Orthodox Jews including those associated with Chabad-Lubavitch or various individuals who do Bikkur Cholim.
Satmar never banned NK. Although, NK of today is not the same NK as in the past, Satmar always agreed with their stance against Zionists, however they disagree with their approach, ie, marching with the goyim.
The Divrei Yoel banned NK.
Honestly, I don’t care what they are protesting against, or which nekudah of the Israeli government they are protesting, etc. etc. Because regardless, this is a terrible idea.
Did anyone bother asking Rav Moshe Hillel Hirsch or Rav Dov Landau if Yidden in America should be attending such a gathering?
Maybe not, but one thing is for sure matzav did not contact them either before
Matzav is just reporting. They didn’t voice an opinion. To you, an anti semite to all non NK or satmar Jews, anything but open endorsement is a rejection.
Silly idea. Nothing good will come out, besides for a Chilul Hashem.
That would be the Zionist definition of Chilul Hashem, as opposed to the Jewish one.
Todays Zionists have never learned what a Jew is. thus they are Patur. You and your ilk claim to know what a Jew is, and choose inherently to be Mechalel Shem Shamayim Befarhesia. No comparison.
Isn’t it a greater chillul Hashem that charediim become Jewish Goyim?
Yes. Because you will be making many more Jewish Goyim in one day then the Medina IDF has made in the last 30 years. I’m waiting for someone to find a single Ben Torah that went to the IDF in the last 30 years, who went OTD while in the IDF. Don’t show me some oisvorf who got up at noon, then went to shteiblach for shachris and was done in under 10 minutes. Followed by several hours in traife corners, doing devarim issurim. Because that guy was already OTD, and used the IDF as an excuse.
Do some research before posting.
yes
Since when has any mainstream kehillah in Klal Yisroel aligned themselves with
this shitah
90% of Klal Yisroel disagrees with the Satmar shitah. And even if there is a reason to protest the Israeli government, past history has proven that these events arranged by these people feature drashos that are totally radical and not reflective of the way bnei hayeshiva express their opposition to the Israeli government.
90% of klal Yisroel are dati leumi?
Actually, it is the opposite. All Jews who have any inkling of the mesorah on this, including from Rav Reuven Grozovsky and others, agree with Satmar on everything (including that Zionism is shmad and that the Zionists implement that shmad) other than minor points like (conditionally) sending frum Jews to the Zionist parliament, voting in Zionist elections and going to the Kosel.
The Chazon Ish held everyone has a Chiyuv to vote in the elections. Almost all go to the Kosel, including Satmar in Eretz Yisroel. I’ve seen them at the Kosel. Your an ostrich as to what actually happens in Eretz Yisroel. There isn’t a single person in Eretz yisroel, including Brisk, Satmar, NK and the rest of the anti Medina that don’t take from the Medina. It’s insanity to say they don’t. Go there and watch how they all kiss up and enjoy the luxuries made available by the “nazis and Amaleik” there.
Klal Yisrael is diverse. Most aren’t on the 10% of the tzad associated with _Satmar, nor do they believe in the other extreme. Rather, the normative Orthodox Jews are the 80% in the broader spectrum of opinions on the topic. And this is true for most topics.
Thank you Matzav . com for giving them a voice
Misleading headline.
Israeli left changes status quo in the midst of existential war.
Satmar is just reacting.
Jews in the diaspora staging rallies opposing Israel today are effectively identical to the Hamas supporters staging encampments at college campuses. We must oppose both!
Because we oppose the wicked secular government of the State of Israel ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT MEAN that we, Chas V’Shalom, in any way or form, support the wicked Hamas!! We oppose them both as they are both extremely, extremely terrible!!
Comparing murderers to Jews is despicable. Appearing to do so in the eyes of the murderers is despicable. Both methods are a Chilul Hashem, which Yom Kippur isn’t Mechaper on.
I join voices of strong opposition to this event. Moreover, I pray that it should encounter complete failure before it can ever happen. No, I’m no diehard Zionist. And there is much of the Satmar – Reb Yoel approach that is rational and Torah based. Today, the dichotomy is Medina of Israel vs. Hamas and other bloodthirsty terrorists. I appreciate the resistance to the current threat looming above yeshivos. But siding with terror is like committing the terror by proxy. That is against every Torah value. Are they supporting Iran and its proxies who seek to murder Jews everywhere in the world? That’s what this rally would accomplish. It would embolden every anti-Semite in America and other countries. We already have attacks going on everywhere. Do these people want more dead Jews?
I will continue to daven that this event should collapse before it can be held. And that these people get some saichel before taking their shittah to the public. This is NOT what Reb Yoel held.
You aren’t being very reasonable. Yes, you obviously are a Zionist, whether or not you realize it. Protesting against the Zionists does not at all equal, and has zero to do with, “siding with terror”. That is absurd. Those are two totally separate things.
Wrong, oh nameless person.
I am absolutely not a Zionist. The issue of the protesting is not about what the protestors think. They are doing so to influence public opinion and the actions of the political powers. Those who are affected by the events, impressed, or influenced are the ones whose thoughts matter. And this will be taken in a manner that will rain down hate on Jews everywhere, whether those Jews are pro or anti Zionism.
Are you aware that Reb Yoelish was once approached about a modern American Jew, and the sales pitch given to introduce him was that he was someone that did not support Israel. Reb Yoelish rejected the meeting. He explained that despite his personal shittah about Israel, the modern, secular Jew that refuses to support Israel is making a negative statement about other Jews. The effect of the proposed event would be the support of anything against Israel. That means your safety and mine.
Today in the age of social media and the distortions made openly, it does. Furthermore, the anti semites will say so and use it to further their cause to murder Jews. It’s assur to appear in line with sonei yisroel. that’s why the Divrei Yoel Asured going to the Israeli day parade, where the gentile anti medina were parading.
That is a lie. The Satmar Rebbe, ztl, rallied against the state when the rasha Ben Gurion tried to draft Bochurim and single Chareidi girls; enforce mixed swimming in Yerushalayim; autopsies; and the desecration of graves.
Not while the world was screaming death to Jews. Never along side pro terrorists. Today, one can’t prevent such from happening. Thus the Divrei Yoel would never hold such a rally in public.
All agree that the situation with the draft is intolerable, shitah or not. The AG is out to cause shmad. So, its obvious that we need to say something, and the government only listens to America, as Rav Dovid Soloveichik Z”L said many times. Logically, if the protest can be focused on this common ground without getting into anyone’s specific shitos, it would be successful and not an issue of Bitul Torah.
You can be sure that the ones who were screaming the loudest about the rally in front of the white house last November that political rallies accomplish nothing, screaming about Bittul Torah, saying that Davening, learning and doing chesed will be much more effective, The world (Zionists in this case) hates us and no amount of protests will ever change that reality etc. will be promoting a very different haskafa when it comes to the Satmar rally against drafting Yeshiva bochurim. And before the revisionism starts, no, most of them weren’t saying that in essence we support the rally but can not attend due to factors that do not apply to the Satmar one.
To be clear I’m no Zionist. I strongly support the cause behind BOTH rallies.
Satmar is looking for an excuse to scream anti zionism. Nothing more. Nothing less. It will accomplish absolutely nothing, aside for all the pro terrorists in the region showing up and saying “see hasidic Jews agree with us, and are also against Israel”. Exactly why the Divrei Yoel assured joining the anti medina factions at the israeli day parade.
..current existential war.
Is it also a milchemet mitzvah?
Where in the Torah is it stated that it is a milchemet mizvah to join a secular G-dless army who are mechalel Shabbos and include women in the army?
When are there frum soldiers being mechalel shabbos? Those that were born to chiloni mishpachos, are tinokos shenishbu. No different then Russian Jews under Communism. Bernie Sanders children. Schumer kids.
Along with (that they) “include women in the army,” please also add in (that — like the current US & other western countries — they) “include and promote and encourage Toeiva, and the very most extreme degrees of Toeiva, in the army.”
No one is forced to join a mixed unit. It’s a farce made up by Satmar, nk and the rest of the world.
If I knew that the rally would be limited to the issue of drafting Yeshiva bochurim and would have a positive impact in that area I would attend. Being that I fear it will end up as a general anti-Zionist rally and that is the message the media will report, I do not expect to attend.
Can’t have the media report that all Jews have finally renounced the Zionist idol. That couldn’t possibly be good for Klal Yisrael. Better to carry on worshiping the eigel instead. That’s obviously what Hashem wants, right?
Because that’s not what this is about. No bnei Torah support Zionism. Only imbeciles like yourself feel a need to create opportunities where you will be seen parading around with terrorists. That’s what the world is going to see. If you think that’s not what the world is going to see, you’re completely insane.
That’s what it will become. Even if no one says a word against the medina, only about the current draft, it will become to the media, ultra orthodox Jews side with Hamas.
Wrong time for a public protest against Israel. There is a serious war raging in Israel, the army is the life support of the country. Yidden in America are seriously naive regarding our uncertain future here, Oct 7 is being planned against us here. Perhaps before protesting against the Israeli government, maybe stop taking money from a Government that promotes the most vile and inhumane behaviors.
The Torah protects klal yisroel not secular haker eating, mechalel shabbos IDF generals
what is the justification to leave the Beis Medrash to attend this rally?
Neither do you protect anyone. For you daven for destruction. We daven for protection and that HAshem shouldn’t listen to your tefila for death and destruction.
This is so backwards. There is no better time to protest against the Zionists than when they are oppressing our brethren under Zionist control. So, practically, that means anytime. Moreover, the Zionist “State” is statistically the least safe place on the planet for Jews. Whatever is Hashem’s plans for Jews in galus, the Zionist “State” is certainly not part of those plans, as it is forbidden to exist, regardless of the Zionists’ mass rebellion against Hashem in making that “State”.
If you want to protest, do so in the Bais Medrash. Not in the street where the world will see it as support for Hamas and the rest of the murdering terrorists. This is what the world is going to see. That makes it a Chilul Hashem.
Let’s say America listens and cuts off all help to Israel then Satmar will have physical safety to worry about.
Keep thinking. The only reason that the gentiles sell weapons to the Zionists is that it serves their interests to do so. But Satmar’s showing the world that the Zionist lie that their “State” is Jewish is indeed just a big lie, and that could get the Zionists to (for now) stop oppressing our brethren under their control.
Satmar is showing the world they agree with Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Qatar and all others calling for the destruction of the state of Israel. Whether this is the poprpose of the rally or not, thta’s what the world will be told. Nothing more, nothing less. That makes it a Chilul Hashem, Yom KIppur isn’t Mechaper for Chilul Hashem.
The Satmar Rebbe actually denounced the movement against the wall of Einei Yehudim who want to destroy us. The Rebbe understood that. That’s why he denounced the NK. Nevertheless, it’s insane that the government is trying to damage our ישיבות during the most relevant armed conflict in our generation. That’s something that I am concerned about.
There is nothing this asifa will do to help the current situation.
Millions of goyim watching the protests WILL NOT UNDERSTAND
the hashkafah of the protests; they will only understand that
Jews a fighting against each other, and this will motivate them
to make even more attacks against Jews.
All they gonna do is stoke anti semitism.
Yup. That’s what the Zionists do. Theodore said so in his diary, too.
Herzl isn’t the leader. He’s been dead for a long time. Only Satmar and NK read Herzl writings. Today the biggest promoters of anti semitism are those Jews that the Gentiles see as siding with them. In other words, you.
Isn’t this the biggest most important Yom Hadin in years?
1- Pashut… It is the one that is here and now.
2- Klall Yisroel has not been subject to such overt anti semitism since the 1930’s. Our survival is being threatened with supported expressions of hate and violence all over the world. If it is happening down here, that means we are not doing well “up there”. Isn’t this a huge Yom Hadin?
3- Lottery tickets……? When one realizes that life and death, that existnce or pogrom, that life or holocaust is on the agenda, who cares about lottery tickets?
4-I can handle a Yom Taanis and Tfillah on behalf of Kalla Yisreol……. but not “anti” anything right now. Chazal tell us that if we engage in midas hadin down here against ourselves then the din is mitigated in shomayim. But if we call with midas hadin against other Yidden, then we are inviting midas hadin on ourselves. Is it right to issue such an invitation? Is that what we need now??
5- We have suffered the loss of numerous young people over the last few weeks. Roshei Yeshiva, Rabbonim, Rebbes, Baal Batim….. some in unusual ways. Hashem is calling out to us. Is the most targeted appropriate response a rally against an ideology??
6- Even if this is the mehalech….. since so many religious and non religious Yidden would not understand the imperative at this time…….. is it a little lifnei ivair on the Mitzvah of ahavas Yisroel?
7- Maybe I am wrong…..and I certainly respect and admire SAatmar and the Rebbes in so many ways. But if/when my Talmidimi ask me, I think that this is the hskofo I would present to them. I’ll consult with our Rosh Yeshiva.
The reason not to join the Israeli army is because the decisions are made by secular politicians, lawmakers and judges, a Torah Jew has no right to place his life in the hands of secular decision makers who send soldiers to die en masse instead of carpet bombing from the air. All other reasons and discussions are mere attempts to distract attention from the plain and simple truth. In the army of a genuine Malchus Yisroel Torah Jews will be the first to join like Matisyahu Kohen Gadol and his sons.
By that logic a Torah Jew has no right to join ANY army. Although many of those who will attend this rally will claim otherwise a place like the Russian army was certainly a lot more difficult to remain frum in than the current Israeli army. And the Russian army was a lot interested in keeping it’s soldiers alive. Yet Gedoley Torah like the Steipler were drafted into the Russian Army. Without the current rhetoric.
Correct. That’s why it should be no different with the IDF. Laws apply to everyone. The IDF has a round about that allows Bnei Torah to be exempt. The IDF is against this push. There is only interest in those already OTD. The IDF disagrees with the AG. It’s all politics for the left. The left in Eretz Yisroel is the minority. If they were really calling everyone up, I would have an overfull tiny apartment. I have many nieces and nephews that are in that age bracket. Yet not a single one has been called up. Nor have the rabanim told them to go to America because of the matzav.
How stupid the Russian army was the same danger
they should do the rally here in E”I!
whom are they trying to impress in America?
that the American government convinces the Knesset to let us learn Toiro??
I have stopped caring for those who pull ridiculous publicity stunts like this
Limaaseh, what’s the story with the Dolphins this year? Are we going to be matzliach or will it be the usual race to the bottom? Can Tua and Tyreek stay healthy for a full season?
one must assess the future impact of one’s actions
Wy does this rally have to be DAVKA during the zman? This isn’t a new development that they had to wait until a few weeks from now to make it. And once they did wait why can’t they wait a little more and make it the day after Yom Kippur or Simchas Torah instead of DAVKA during the zman?
On another note reading the pro rally comments here should make it clear that the rally is NOT going to be about the draft. It is about Satmar beliefs and rhetoric about the State of Israel. The draft is just a rallying point. No pun intended.
A few points from the inside.
Satmar today has little interest in protests, they have enough of their own issues, ” nor vos ” they were mechunach that protests in America is one of the weapons to embarrassing the isrealis and even more so to keep aguda in check
Now there hasn’t been a satmar big protest in manhatten in years. They don’t have cheshek to expose 2000 bucherim to billboards…
However there is big pressure from the eidah , that big gezeiros …and you are sleeping in america , it’s viewed as satmar you slacking off and who knows what others are giving in to,
What a clown show.
After 120 years they will have to explain their actions that endanger Am Yisrael and encourage our enemies who wish to kill us. It’s as simple as that. Enough said.
Just because we oppose the wicked secular government of the State of Israel ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT MEAN that we, Chas V’Shalom, in any way or form at all, support or encourage the wicked Hamas or the other wicked enemies of our people!! We oppose them both as they are both extremely, extremely terrible!!
Totally understandably, almost everyone thinks that everyone, including Chareidim, especially now need to join the Israel government’s IDF to help fight the extremely wicked Hamas & similar enemies and thus protect the people of Israel. This though is a gigantically tremendous error. Please see the two essays titled: “Know Thy Enemy” and “Expose the Agenda” at the “WestBoroRabbi” website (a com site), which, relates some pretty serious stinging sharp accusations.